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Episodes 1051-1055
« on: May 02, 2013, 11:18:10 AM »
Tim: Now that you are watching Episodes 1051-1055, have you noticed anything that might have caused that week to be banned?  Anything that gives a hint as to when it last aired?  Thanks.

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Re: Episodes 1051-1055
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 09:57:54 PM »
Sorry...nothing on either account.

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Re: Episodes 1051-1055
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 11:03:17 AM »
Although, so far, you have only seen 1051.  It is possible that the offending content is later in the week.  Can you let us know if in any of the later episodes that week (or the next week) if you notice anything that could explain why it was banned?  You didn't seem to think the offending content was in the opera itself.  Thanks.

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Re: Episodes 1051-1055
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 11:11:06 AM »
I sure will. So far nothing but we'll see what the rest of the episodes bring...

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Re: Episodes 1051-1055
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2013, 10:33:21 AM »
The really sad and disturbing thing about this week being pulled is that, aside from Betty Aberlin and Tim, nobody really knows if Lost Teddy Bear & Whaling Ship was a beautiful opera or not. And i hear many comments from people (including myself to be honest) saying that such operas as Pineapples & Tomatoes, Key To Otherland, A Granddad For Daniel and A Star For Kitty were indeed beautiful ones.

As a matter of fact, i think i remember reading on this board that Pineapples & Tomatoes nearly got banned, but continued to air until 1989 because it was too beautiful an opera to get rid of. But if they were concerned about removing that opera from circulation, why they did go ahead and somewhat carelessly think the complete opposite for this one??

Judging from the screenshots of the opera, whether or not it was beautiful, i get the idea it was a pretty cheesy one, due to it being filmed in the NOM instead of elsewhere like the rest of the operas (except for Campsite, which was also set in the middle of the NOM) were. It seems both Campsite and Lost Teddy Bear were pretty cheap ones.

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Re: Episodes 1051-1055
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2013, 11:27:05 AM »
The really sad and disturbing thing about this week being pulled is that, aside from Betty Aberlin and Tim, nobody really knows if Lost Teddy Bear & Whaling Ship was a beautiful opera or not. And i hear many comments from people (including myself to be honest) saying that such operas as Pineapples & Tomatoes, Key To Otherland, A Granddad For Daniel and A Star For Kitty were indeed beautiful ones.

As a matter of fact, i think i remember reading on this board that Pineapples & Tomatoes nearly got banned, but continued to air until 1989 because it was too beautiful an opera to get rid of. But if they were concerned about removing that opera from circulation, why they did go ahead and somewhat carelessly think the complete opposite for this one??

Where did you hear that 1125 (Pineapples and Tomatoes) was nearly banned?  You may be thinking of a few comments that I made: every color pre-79 opera, except 1055 and 1125, has a later episode (such as 1454, 1460, 1473, 1503, and maybe others) that shows a flashback to the opera.  There was never an episode, to my knowledge, with a flashback to 1055 or 1125.  There are also no flashbacks to any of the banned weeks (1036-1040, 1051-1055, 1056-1060, or 1071-1075) which was possibly intentional, since most other 1969 (and some 1970) weeks do have flashbacks.  That leads me to think that maybe they had considered banning 1125 for whatever reason.

The other comment you may be thinking of is that Tim thinks that 1121 was heavily editted, since (I don't know if this is true or not, just basing on what Tim thinks) he said that it includes an airline logo that didn't even exist in 1970.  If that is true, then I wondered if maybe they had planned to scrap the entire week because of whatever content in 1121 they didn't want to air, but maybe they decided to edit 1121 rather than scrap the whole week to avoid losing the opera in 1125.

The other comment I made is that 1125 contains a lot of Hawaiian streotypes, and might not be politically correct by today's standards.  Leaving aside Hawaiian stereotypes, it also features a young, attractive, female employee dating an older, male boss.  That, today, would not be politically correct either, and it also may have some unfortunate implications.

Another interesting thing thas has caused some discussion: Prince Tuesday was born in Episode 1117, and his one week birthday party was in 1122.  However, in 1986, 1116-1120 aired Aug. 4-8, Starting School aired Aug. 11-15, and 1121-1125 aired Aug. 18-22; so Prince Tuesday's one week birthday party aired 2 weeks after his birth that year.  Starting School actually aired a full week earlier in 1986 than in 1985 (it aired Aug. 19-23, 1985).  And the previous year that had the same calendar as 1986 (1980) and the next year that had that calendar (1997) both had Starting School air Aug. 18-22.  If Starting School had aired Aug. 18-22 in 1986, it would have avoided that continuity issue with Tuesday's birthday.  But it would have meant that 1125 would have aired on Aug. 15.  Hawaii has a holiday, called Statehood Day, which falls on the 3rd Friday in August, which, in 1986, would have fallen on Aug. 15.  Statehood Day is a somewhat sensitive day for Native Hawaiians, so I wonder if maybe they aired Starting School a week early (compared to 1985) in order to avoid airing 1125 on Statehood Day, perhaps out of respect to Native Hawaiians, even though it caused a continuity error with Tuesday's birthday.  In 1989 (the next, and last time that the 1970 season would air), they avoided the continuity issue completely by not even airing Starting School.

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Judging from the screenshots of the opera, whether or not it was beautiful, i get the idea it was a pretty cheesy one, due to it being filmed in the NOM instead of elsewhere like the rest of the operas (except for Campsite, which was also set in the middle of the NOM) were. It seems both Campsite and Lost Teddy Bear were pretty cheap ones.

1125 may have been the first high quality opera.  Maybe they just decided that 1055 didn't make the cut.

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Re: Episodes 1051-1055
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2013, 02:58:12 PM »
Tim: can you also check if any episodes in 1051-1055 mention "next week" or if any episodes in 1056-1060 mention "last week".  If so, that could be why both weeks were banned, even if only one week contained content that needed to be removed.

I know some of think that 1051-1055 was banned due to the fishing, given that Fred later became a vegetarian.  However, in 1455, Johnny Costa's mother gave Fred a meat pie, and that week was never banned (and was one of the last pre-79s to air).  But maybe they just thought that 1451-1455, with Margaret Hamilton, was too good a week to lose, but 1051-1055 didn't make the cut.

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Re: Episodes 1051-1055
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2013, 08:06:19 PM »
Tim: can you also check if any episodes in 1051-1055 mention "next week" or if any episodes in 1056-1060 mention "last week".

I didn't really notice anything in 1051-1055 but I'll pay extra attention with the next five episodes...

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Re: Episodes 1051-1055
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2013, 08:29:08 PM »
I know some of think that 1051-1055 was banned due to the fishing, given that Fred later became a vegetarian.  However, in 1455, Johnny Costa's mother gave Fred a meat pie, and that week was never banned (and was one of the last pre-79s to air).  But maybe they just thought that 1451-1455, with Margaret Hamilton, was too good a week to lose, but 1051-1055 didn't make the cut.

I don't understand the problem. Why would they ban 1051-1055 because of fishing? Some vegetarians eat fish. Also, in 1440 (which last aired in 1994, two weeks before 1451-1455 did), when Rogers returns from Elsie Neal's Craft Shop, he says that (at leat when he was a child) him and his grandfather (the one that didn't play the violin; Granddad Rogers, maybe?) liked to go fishing. And ironically, i also mentioned that in that same week, Mr. McFeely and Paul Gertner perform magic tricks for Rogers, even though 1036-1040 was allegedly banned for having too much magic in that week.

Also, you keep mentioning that detail about 1455. I've seen that episode a few times (even have it on video along w/ 1440) and i don't recall Rogers being given a meat pie. When he returned from the bakery, he empty-handedly had a discussion with viewers about the possibilities of them growing up to have the kinds of talents the Costa family have (i.e., cooking like his mom).

I'm sorry, i don't know too much about these "banned" weeks. Mainly just select episodes from 1970-1976 in the case of pre-79s that haven't aired in so long. I've always wanted to see 1326 again, which i haven't seen since it was on YouTube about 6 years ago.

Anyways, can't wait to see 1056-1060. I'd love to know if that puzzle incident really happened, lol.

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Re: Episodes 1051-1055
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2013, 10:13:41 PM »
I know some of think that 1051-1055 was banned due to the fishing, given that Fred later became a vegetarian.  However, in 1455, Johnny Costa's mother gave Fred a meat pie, and that week was never banned (and was one of the last pre-79s to air).  But maybe they just thought that 1451-1455, with Margaret Hamilton, was too good a week to lose, but 1051-1055 didn't make the cut.

I don't understand the problem. Why would they ban 1051-1055 because of fishing? Some vegetarians eat fish.

I don't know about Fred, but some vegetarians have very little tolerance for people who don't share their views.

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Also, in 1440 (which last aired in 1994, two weeks before 1451-1455 did), when Rogers returns from Elsie Neal's Craft Shop, he says that (at leat when he was a child) him and his grandfather (the one that didn't play the violin; Granddad Rogers, maybe?) liked to go fishing.

But 1439 had Joanne Roger's piano performance, so maybe that was enough to save that week.

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And ironically, i also mentioned that in that same week, Mr. McFeely and Paul Gertner perform magic tricks for Rogers, even though 1036-1040 was allegedly banned for having too much magic in that week.

Remember, magic tricks performed by a human magician are completely different from supernatural magic performed by a wizard.  I think the later is what Fred wanted to remove from MRN.

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Also, you keep mentioning that detail about 1455. I've seen that episode a few times (even have it on video along w/ 1440) and i don't recall Rogers being given a meat pie. When he returned from the bakery, he empty-handedly had a discussion with viewers about the possibilities of them growing up to have the kinds of talents the Costa family have (i.e., cooking like his mom).

If you watch that episode, maybe you'll see the meat pie.  Or maybe I just remember the episode wrong, or maybe I'm confusing it with a different episode, or maybe the epiosde was later edited to remove the reference to the meat pie.  Remember, supposedly a lot of pre-79s were heavily edited, but I don't know if that was one of them.

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I'm sorry, i don't know too much about these "banned" weeks. Mainly just select episodes from 1970-1976 in the case of pre-79s that haven't aired in so long. I've always wanted to see 1326 again, which i haven't seen since it was on YouTube about 6 years ago.

Anyways, can't wait to see 1056-1060. I'd love to know if that puzzle incident really happened, lol.

I still have a hard time beleiving that the Mr. McFeely smoking incident never happened, despite what some unnamed FCI employee may have told Tim.