What's the Difference?

[mitsguy2001]

I think there are some carryovers between weeks that are not obvious from the files, which is why I was hoping to see if Tim would have an answer.  Although not mentioned in the files, it seems that 1031-1035 mentions a character who was seen only in 1036-1040, which could explain why 1031-1035 didn't air in 1983-84.  I wonder if maybe, although 1031-1035 was in the Plan and Play Book, maybe it also stopped airing when 1036-1040 was banned, or maybe they wanted to eliminate all references to that character (and didn't realize at the time he was mentioned in 1031-1035), or maybe they realized it confused kids to hear him mentioned in 1031-1035 but then not seen the following week.

[mitsguy2001]

Another seemingly continuity error was in the first week of the series.  In Episode 2, when Lady Aberlin was knocking on the door, Fred said (to the kids watching the show) "Guess who that is".  But since Lady Aberlin had not yet been seen or mentioned, there is no way that kids could have possibly known it was her the first time that episode aired.  Although, maybe she was mentioned in promotional material for the show that mentioned her, that Fred expected kids would be familiar with?  Also, in Episode 5, Fred said that from now on, Betty will be known as Lady Aberlin.  But the name Lady Aberlin was used in earlier episodes, including Episode 2.  I'm thinking maybe Episode 2 was re-shot sometime after its first airing.

[setlori]

It seems the cupcake episode you are talking about is 1026.  According to our schedules, that episode last aired on Monday, Jan. 9, 1984.  Does that sound correct to you?  According to our schedules, the following week, they jumped ahead to 1066 (the 1970 season premiere).  I'm guessing that you remember 1001-1030, but you probably either never saw (or don't remember) any of 1031-1065, none of which (we think) aired in 1983-84.  Do you remembera ny of 1031-1065?

Yeah, that timeframe is probably right. I had probably watched them in previous years as well, which would be why I remember the feeling of having watched them multiple times, though I don't actually remember those viewings specifically because I would have been 2-3. As you suggested, I have no memory of 1031-1065.

[mitsguy2001]

It seems the cupcake episode you are talking about is 1026.  According to our schedules, that episode last aired on Monday, Jan. 9, 1984.  Does that sound correct to you?  According to our schedules, the following week, they jumped ahead to 1066 (the 1970 season premiere).  I'm guessing that you remember 1001-1030, but you probably either never saw (or don't remember) any of 1031-1065, none of which (we think) aired in 1983-84.  Do you remembera ny of 1031-1065?

Yeah, that timeframe is probably right. I had probably watched them in previous years as well, which would be why I remember the feeling of having watched them multiple times, though I don't actually remember those viewings specifically because I would have been 2-3. As you suggested, I have no memory of 1031-1065.

So are you thinking that 1031-1065 didn't air even in 1981?

[JCostaThePro]

nor parental abandonment

OK, maybe Divorce sorta tackled the issue of parental abandonment, especially since that's how many parental abandonments start, but there are other ways that parents abandon their children when they're very young besides divorce.

And actually, i stand corrected on another detail, i think PA was part of the plot to the A Granddad For Daniel opera (Mr. Mefford's dad having abandoned him when he was a kid), so it was at least played for drama in one post-75 episode. But still, it'd be interesting if there was a pre-79 episode or special that dealt with that topic.

[setlori]

So are you thinking that 1031-1065 didn't air even in 1981?

Oh gosh, I can't say that. I don't remember anything I watched in 1981.

[mitsguy2001]

So are you thinking that 1031-1065 didn't air even in 1981?

Oh gosh, I can't say that. I don't remember anything I watched in 1981.

But you said that you remember seeing 1001-1030 more than once.  If you saw it in 1983-84, and you saw it more than once, the previous time had to have been in 1981.

[setlori]

But you said that you remember seeing 1001-1030 more than once.  If you saw it in 1983-84, and you saw it more than once, the previous time had to have been in 1981.

Yes, that's true. A couple posts back I said that I probably had the memory of watching it more than once, but I don't specifically remember those first viewings because it would have been too early in my life. So, when I watched the last time, I remember knowing I had seen them before, but at this point in my life I can't actually remember those previous viewings. I hope I'm making sense.

[JCostaThePro]

Nicky:

I'm not very good at quoting on this board and i've been cutting down on it lately, but i read your reply and i was thinking:

I can't quite think of anymore pre-79 carryovers than what you mentioned. The only other ones i can think of is 1341-1348, 1421-1440 and a few 1968 ones (1-8, 16-25, 31-36, 57-67 and 69-89).
But it's pretty hard not to reveal any plot info because you can read about some of these episodes on the Archive as Tim has access to them and has revealed quite alot of interesting details about them. You mean you don't want to know anything specific like the quotes or an episode's version of John Costa's outro music, ect.? I understand that. Having an obsession w/ the show's closing credits, i too would love to be surprised at what variation of the outro music John played at the end. Not sure about the others, though.

Also, correction on 1453-1460; it's actually 1446-1460, but again, i guess i can't explain why.

[mitsguy2001]

Nicky:

I'm not very good at quoting on this board and i've been cutting down on it lately, but i read your reply and i was thinking:

I can't quite think of anymore pre-79 carryovers than what you mentioned. The only other ones i can think of is 1341-1348, 1421-1440 and a few 1968 ones (1-8, 16-25, 31-36, 57-67 and 69-89).
But it's pretty hard not to reveal any plot info because you can read about some of these episodes on the Archive as Tim has access to them and has revealed quite alot of interesting details about them. You mean you don't want to know anything specific like the quotes or an episode's version of John Costa's outro music, ect.? I understand that. Having an obsession w/ the show's closing credits, i too would love to be surprised at what variation of the outro music John played at the end. Not sure about the others, though.

Also, correction on 1453-1460; it's actually 1446-1460, but again, i guess i can't explain why.

JCostaThePro:

I don't think it's right that you can't post about these carryover weeks just because Nicky doesn't want any info revealed.  As far as I know, Nicky is not a moderator of this board, and does not have any special privileges.  Can you please post everything you know, and maybe include a spoiler alert so that Nicky doesn't read it if he doesn't want to see it?  Thanks.

[JCostaThePro]

JCostaThePro:

I don't think it's right that you can't post about these carryover weeks just because Nicky doesn't want any info revealed.  As far as I know, Nicky is not a moderator of this board, and does not have any special privileges.  Can you please post everything you know, and maybe include a spoiler alert so that Nicky doesn't read it if he doesn't want to see it?  Thanks.

Yes i can. I'll just simply post the basic storylines, no spoilers. Let's see:

1-8 (the near-war and peace party in Make-Believe)
16-25 (Donkey Hodie's debut)
31-36 (the red monster story)
57-67 (Joey Hollingsworth's return to the neighborhood, the water flowing and fire at the factory story)
69-89 (Donkey Hodie being lonely and the King's long vacation to visit Sarah; however, 85 seemed to be shot at another time and had a completely unrelated NOM story, causing a break in the story arc)
1341-1348 (the King Monday IX statue making and getting broken story)
1421-1440 (1432, 1434 and 1438 are all about new neighbor Natalie Baker moving in)
1446-1460 (1446 and 1447 are about Tony Bennett's visit to the Museum Go-Round).

[mitsguy2001]

JCostaThePro:

I don't think it's right that you can't post about these carryover weeks just because Nicky doesn't want any info revealed.  As far as I know, Nicky is not a moderator of this board, and does not have any special privileges.  Can you please post everything you know, and maybe include a spoiler alert so that Nicky doesn't read it if he doesn't want to see it?  Thanks.

Yes i can. I'll just simply post the basic storylines, no spoilers. Let's see:

1-8 (the near-war and peace party in Make-Believe)
16-25 (Donkey Hodie's debut)
31-36 (the red monster story)
57-67 (Joey Hollingsworth's return to the neighborhood, the water flowing and fire at the factory story)
69-89 (Donkey Hodie being lonely and the King's long vacation to visit Sarah; however, 85 seemed to be shot at another time and had a completely unrelated NOM story, causing a break in the story arc)
1341-1348 (the King Monday IX statue making and getting broken story)
1421-1440 (1432, 1434 and 1438 are all about new neighbor Natalie Baker moving in)
1446-1460 (1446 and 1447 are about Tony Bennett's visit to the Museum Go-Round).

Interestingly, they didn't seem to take these carryovers into account when scheduling reruns.  Some but not all of the carryover black and white weeks aired during the summer of 1970.  And, 1436-1440 aired in the fall of 1988 but 1421-1435 was moved to the spring of 1989.

[bjdwsm]

Does anyone spot any noticeable changes to the look of the show between production runs?  From what I've seen, there were a few changes to the model neighborhood that seemed to coincide with the changes in directors (more in 1968-1976), and I think there were differences in how the camera shot the model.

I'm curious whether there's much difference between the 1969 run and the 1970 run in terms of its look, or were they virtually identical similar.  I'm also wondering about any noticable differences between the 1974-76 Bill Moates season, the 1979-81 Hugh Martin seasons, and the 1982-87 Paul Lally seasons.

Has anyone tracked when Picture Picture stopped displaying the greetings? ("Hello"/"Hi")

[ASchuelke]

One main difference in the 1979-1981 era is the opening shot of Fred walking up to the house.
Another difference that came along in 1982 is the HO scale trolley on the model neighborhood.

[ASchuelke]

One other thing, I believe starting in 1988 we see a new font for the credits.