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It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« on: March 10, 2015, 08:25:07 PM »
There are a few people on this message board who have been curious about the rotation of
It's Such A Good Feeling during the 1972 episodes. PBS did rerun these episodes way back
in 1990 & 1991. First of all episode 1196 does close with the usual Tomorrow song. Fred did sing
Good Feeling before the close of Tomorrow. It was the old version with the grow 12 inches
today line etc..1200 also has the weekend song same lyrics as used on the previous friday
closings from the 1971 season. As far as 1213 goes Fred sings the Good Feeling about
7 half minutes into the program. Again it was the old version with the grow 12 inches line.
The closing was the tomorrow song obviously, even thou the files never indicated that.
On 1218 its the old version Good Feeling with the 12 inches, following the tomorrow song.
Thou it almost seemed like it was the closing, since he was changing his shoes while singing
the old Good Feeling.  As soon as he's finished singing, he said, well we had a lively day together, but you know when we will be back together again  ;D Tomorrow Tomorrow etc...

Weekend song is also used on 1220 but then after he sings that melody heard is the Good Feeling
song rather than usual weekend song outro melody as in 1971 season eps. The very first monday
show to have Fred singing Good Feeling as the closing theme song is episode 351/1221 from
the 1972 season. Copyright did indicate it was from 1971, also episode itself was taped 11-11-71.
Fred just mentions he feels like singing something differen't before i leave today. Yea i liked being
with you and thats a Good Feeling. Lets sing that together, same usual verses except he saids
today after snapping newday and i'll be back when tomorrow's new instead of day. To finish it off
he hums ba da dum dum da da dum da da dum etc..concluded singing the feeling you know that
we're friends see you tomorrow  ;D

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2015, 09:20:21 PM »
Was Good Feeling used in all post-1221 episodes?  If so, t hen 1219 was the last time Tomorrow was used (except for 1459 and possibly 1336).  On that topic, do you have 1336?  Does it use Tomorrow or Good Feeling?  If Tomorrow, then what explanation does Fred give?

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 09:48:38 PM »
Nope remember Fred would alternate back and forth sing Good Feeling and sometimes Tomorrow.
I have heard the Tomorrow song as late as 1244 believe it or not. I have seen episode 1336 can
confirm it has Good Feeling as the closing. Good Feeling version is just the shorter version. Which has the verse the feeling you know that we're friends. Just like later episodes such as 1508 and 1530. Also i have the script to it as well 466/1366.

Script 466/1336
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0s2MJtPIsR2a3ZIeE5udVVqRUk/view?usp=sharing

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2015, 10:23:15 PM »
Nope remember Fred would alternate back and forth sing Good Feeling and sometimes Tomorrow.
I have heard the Tomorrow song as late as 1244 believe it or not. I have seen episode 1336 can
confirm it has Good Feeling as the closing. Good Feeling version is just the shorter version. Which has the verse the feeling you know that we're friends. Just like later episodes such as 1508 and 1530. Also i have the script to it as well 466/1366.

Script 466/1336
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0s2MJtPIsR2a3ZIeE5udVVqRUk/view?usp=sharing

Thanks for posting that.  How do you get the scripts for all these episodes?  Which other ones do you have.

It's interesting that Tomorrow is the last word he speaks before the closing, and that the Good Feeling song was a handwritten edit.  I'm guessing maybe it was originally intended to close with the Tomorrow song (maybe since he was talking about tomorrow), but at the last minute, they went with Good Feeling instead, or maybe it was even edited.

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2015, 11:39:38 AM »
This is all great information that answers a lot of questions... thanks a bunch.   So from the looks of things, 1205 is the first episode with Good Feeling as a closing, 1220 is the last with the full Weekend Song, 1221 is the first non-Friday episode with the Good Feeling closing (as you said), and 1244 is the last with Tomorrow as the main closing song (all going by original airdates).   Are these all correct assumptions?

Another question... you mentioned the tape date of 1221.   Do you have tape dates for other episodes as well?   If so, do you know if 1221 was taped before 1205, 1210, and/or 1215?   Or if post-1221 episodes with the Tomorrow song were generally taped earlier than the ones from the same period with Good Feeling? 

Also, do you know what the closings for 1230 and 1242?   The Pittsburgh archives don't list any of the usual closing songs for those.   It doesn't list one for 1214 either, but I would imagine that's still Tomorrow.   And it also lists Weekend Song for 1221, 1243 and 1251, but I now know that 1221 has the Good Feeling closing, and I would imagine the other two do as well.

Thanks again for all of the information!

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2015, 03:08:01 PM »
Episode 355/1225 has the weekend song in full. Also they list the wrong song on 353/1223 in the
U of P files, as well as the at FRC school. Instead of being Tomorrow, it is Good Feeling. 352/1222,
354/1224, 359/1229 do close with Tomorrow. My insight is 1221 possibly may have been taped
before 1205 for whatever reason. I am unable to verify this other than the lettering front on the
announcer The People Who Give The Money To Make This Television Visit is differen't on 351/1221
then on 305/1205. It seems that the earliest episodes of the 1972 have the lettering front laid
out like in the previous season style did. 359/1229 also has the earlier version letttering front,
as well as the 1971 copyright. Rest of those from that week are the normal usual way and have
1972 as the copyright.

A couple of other things to note on some of these earlier episodes. 347/1217 the announcer founding at the end was silent. Also on 349/1219 the announcer came as soon as Fred exits his house. Mister Rogers' Neighborhood is made possible by grants from The Sears-Roebuck Foundation and The Corporation For Public Broadcasting. Which is the arrangement that was done in the 1971 season. When the layout came for the funding at the end, it was silent naturally. 362/1232, also ends the same way like the episode mention above.

You are correct about 344/1214 closing with Tomorrow song. 360/1230 closes with the shorter version of Good Feeling to know that we're friends. 371/1241, 372/1242, 373/1243 all close
with Good Feeling full version. 374/1244 is one of the very last shows from that season to close with the Tomorrow song. Others from 376/1246 onward close with Good Feeling, they are mistaken on 381/1251 about closing with The Weekend song. It's the Regular Good Feeling M-T version.

Its difficult to know for certain if there are episodes from that season that could possibly be taped
out of order. Like in the earlier episodes from 1968 alot of those did seem to be taped out of order, some even retaped. The best way to know on the 1972 season is to find episodes that are the original prints with the WQED/WQEX board that shows the taping date of the episodes. 351/1221
happen to be one that was an original print that had that information. Majority of the episodes don't
have that, instead have the blackscreen with the new program four digit code number. Perhaps they
could exist, but getting ahold of those is practically impossible. I think they have what is easily accessible from the most recent studio masters from when they last broadcasted on PBS.
Most episodes from 1141 onward Thru 1290 do seem to have the PBS 1989 Logo on them.

The few ones that are available on amazon prime instant video or download, DVD a few had the
1989 PBS Logo, ones such as 1271 1300 1309 1324 have the 1971 PBS Logo. As far as schedule
information goes 1291 Thru 1355 were not scheduled for broadcast on the national schedule in the
1990s. In the mid 1980s majority of the pre-79s closed with the 1971 PBS Logo, on a few very rare
exceptions 1984 PBS Logo. They may be a few PBS affiliates that show differen't programs on there
own time slot, then what is schedule nationwide. Heard from a few sources some of those 1291's
onward aired in the early 1990s, mid 1990s on WQED13/WQEX the sister station of WQED 13. I couldn't really tell you why possibly a few stations may have done so. Perhaps they had a high demand for MRN on those few particular PBS affiliates. So they schedule more episodes than what
was schedule nationwide. Thats the best i can explain myself about all of this business. Hopefully
i have help answer some curious questions about all of this.

Yours Truly,
LEF  8)

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2015, 05:19:42 PM »
I meant to say 1291 Thru 1350 instead of 1355. This reminds me on the theme week Making Mistakes!

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2015, 09:11:21 PM »
LEF: how do you get all of these episodes?  FCI won't even give schedule information to us mere mortals.  And how do you know that some 1972 episodes were retaped?  We know that 1121 was retaped since it was a 1970 episode but had a United Airlines logo that wasn't introduced until 1973, and it lists Bob Trow in the credits even though he didn't appear in the episode.  Do other episodes have anything like that?

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 11:37:19 AM »
Tim: Now that you are reviewing the episodes during the transition era, I'm curious to hear about what you have observed so far, and in the rest of the episodes in the transition period.  So far, it seems:

Starting with 1205, all Friday episodes use Good Feeling.  Is that correct?  Or do some (such as 1220) use Tomorrow?  Do these Friday episodes all have "Snappy New Day"?  Do they all transition from "The feeling to know" into the first verse of the Weekend Song?  Was 1200 the last episode to use the 2nd verse of the Weekend Song?

All Mon-Thurs episodes through 1219 use Tomorrow.

1213 and 1218 both use Good Feeling as a regular song in the middle of an episode.  In both cases, does it use "12 inches", "you're alive", and the 2nd verse with "find you're in tune"?

Am I correct that no explanation is given in 1205, 1210, 1215, or 1220 about why he is singing Good Feeling at the end of the episode?

It seems that 1221 was the first non-Friday episode to end with Good Feeling, and it was very likely recorded before any of 1205, 1210, 1215, or 1220.  In that episode, it seems that Fred explained that he wants to sing something different.  It also seems that Fred sang only the first verse, "snappy new day", and hummed a 2nd verse, ending with "we're friends".  Is that all correct?

What episodes used "tomorrow's new" vs. "the day is new".  Did all Friday episodes use "the week is new"?

What closing song was used in each 1222 - 1243 episodes.  If Good Feeling and/or Weekend Song, what version was used of each?

Did any of 1222 - 1243 have an explanation as to why a particular closing song was used, like 1221 sort of did?

Did 1244 have any explanation about Tomorrow being used for the last time?

Do you have taping dates for other episodes besides 1221?  Were any Tomorrow episodes taped later than 1221 (11/11/71)?

Am I correct that 1196-1204 and 1221 all have 1971 copyright dates?  And that 1205-1220 and 1222-1260 all have 1972 copyright dates?

Note that I am not expecting answers to all of these questions right away, especially since you haven't even reviewed all of the episodes yet.

Thanks!

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2016, 08:34:15 AM »
I'll try and get to your more specific questions as soon as I can, but in general terms, I might be able to clarify a bit just based on what's shown in the episode descriptions on the site.

When I list the songs in the box at the top of each episode page, I include anything that was sung during the episode -- even if it was just a few lines. If it was a song that's simply heard playing in the background, those songs are listed in the NOTES section. So in regard to what song closes each episode, that will always be the last song(s) listed at the top of the page. If Mister Rogers happens to end the episode by singing a song, and then close out the episode with a typical closing song, the closing song is not listed in the episode description but the other is.

For example, in 1218, Mister Rogers was in the kitchen making his dot-to-dot craft. As he finishes and starts to move towards the front of the house, he sings It's Such a Good Feeling. This is noted in the episode description because he's not actually closing out the episode yet. Once he finishes and reaches the front of the house and starts changing his shoes, he closes the episode as usual with Tomorrow. This song I've listed in the top right with all other songs sung in the episode, but I've not made note of it in the episode description.

Hopefully that makes sense. :)

I'll get to your more specific questions as soon as I get a chance...some maybe even this weekend...

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2016, 07:01:55 PM »
Thanks.  I look forward to hearing more answers.

What often confuses me is that your listings just list "Good Feeling", even though there are many different variations of that song, and I'm often curious as to which version is used (does it include the 2nd verse?  does it end with "We're friends" or "You're alive?  Does it have "snappy new day" or "12 inches")?  Similarly, when you just list "Weekend Song", does it include the 2nd verse?  Does it have "Things you'll want to do" or "Things you'll want to talk about"?  Does it have "Tomorrow's new", "Day is new", or "Week is new"?  I do realize that at this point, it wouldn't be practical for you go to back to every episode to list which version of each song is used.  But it would be interesting to list it, at least for the 1205-1244 period, or for any episode that uses a non-standard version of either song, or at the very least, the first and last time that each version is used?

One other thing I forgot to ask is: when Good Feeling was used as a closing song, did it always use "snappy new day"?  And when used as a non-closing song, did it always use "Grow 12 inches"?  I had heard rumors that censors asked Fred to remove the "Grow 12 inches line".  But I don't know if that is true.  If 1205, 1210, and 1221 (written before 1205) use "snappy new day", but 1213 uses "grow 12 inches", then it means that the censors were ok with "grow 12 inches".  Or, was "grow 12 inches" ever used in the closing song version?  If so, when?  I don't get the impression that it was used in 1205, 1210, or 1221, in which case it was likely never used.

Also, I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember a post-75 where Lady Aberlin sang Good Feeling in the NOM.  Did that have "snappy new day" or "grow 12 inches"?

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2016, 07:15:59 PM »
Also, come to think of it, were the full official lyrics to Good Feeling, as listed on this website, ever used:
http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/music/songs/its_such_a_good_feeling.html

It includes "Snappy new day" but with the 2nd verse.  Was that ever used together?  And, it has "We're Friends".  I thought that was used only in a very small number of episodes.  Was it ever used pre-1205?

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2016, 08:12:39 AM »
Starting with 1205, all Friday episodes use Good Feeling.  Is that correct?  Or do some (such as 1220) use Tomorrow?

1205 and 1210 do. Even though I haven't watched it all the way through yet, I did just check 1220 and it actually ends with just the Weekend Song.

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Do these Friday episodes all have "Snappy New Day"?  Do they all transition from "The feeling to know" into the first verse of the Weekend Song?

1205, 1210, and 1215  all include "snappy new day" and transition straight into the Weekend Song much like we're used to on the "modern" Friday episodes. I will point out that on all three of these episodes, Mister Rogers adds the words "today" as in "I think I'll make a snappy new day, today."

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Was 1200 the last episode to use the 2nd verse of the Weekend Song?

1220 uses the second verse.

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1213 and 1218 both use Good Feeling as a regular song in the middle of an episode.  In both cases, does it use "12 inches", "you're alive", and the 2nd verse with "find you're in tune"?

1213 and 1218 both use "grow 12 inches," "you're alive," and "know you're in tune."

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Am I correct that no explanation is given in 1205, 1210, 1215, or 1220 about why he is singing Good Feeling at the end of the episode?

None that I recall. In most cases, he leads in by talking about how something like being creative (1218) gives him a good feeling.

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It seems that 1221 was the first non-Friday episode to end with Good Feeling, and it was very likely recorded before any of 1205, 1210, 1215, or 1220.  In that episode, it seems that Fred explained that he wants to sing something different.  It also seems that Fred sang only the first verse, "snappy new day", and hummed a 2nd verse, ending with "we're friends".  Is that all correct?

In 1221, Mister Rogers sits to change his shoes at the end of the episode and says "I feel like singing something different before I leave today. Yeah, I've liked being with you and that's a good feeling." You're exactly right ... he uses "snappy new day" (including the extra 'today') and then leads directly into the Weekend Song. No 2nd verse and no "we're friends."

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What episodes used "tomorrow's new" vs. "the day is new".  Did all Friday episodes use "the week is new"?

Hard to say without going back and checking every episode. My gut says that the earlier uses of the Weekend Song used "tomorrow's new" and when that song became more commonly used, it eventually evolved into "the day is new" to distinguish the Monday-Thursday episodes from the Friday "week is new." Haven't checked that to be certain, just my gut feeling.

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What closing song was used in each 1222 - 1243 episodes.  If Good Feeling and/or Weekend Song, what version was used of each?

I'll be getting to these episodes over the coming weeks and will, of course, detail what songs were used.

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Did any of 1222 - 1243 have an explanation as to why a particular closing song was used, like 1221 sort of did?

I'll be sure and make mention of anything that seems different from the typical idea of singing something new or having a good feeling about something.

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Did 1244 have any explanation about Tomorrow being used for the last time?

None at all. In typical Mister Rogers fashion, he just goes into the song as usual. No mention of it potentially being the last time he'd use it to close an episode.

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Do you have taping dates for other episodes besides 1221?  Were any Tomorrow episodes taped later than 1221 (11/11/71)?

I wish I did. I've always thought it'd be interesting to compare the recording schedule to the broadcast schedule. Unfortunately, the only taping dates I've got are limited to handful of episodes where the intro screen shows this information.

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Am I correct that 1196-1204 and 1221 all have 1971 copyright dates?  And that 1205-1220 and 1222-1260 all have 1972 copyright dates?

As far as I'm aware. I do my best to detail the credits exactly as they appear ... even down to the copyright date at the end of each episode. I can't say there aren't a few that I might have missed when they've bounced between years like 1971 and 1972, but I can say this is something I try to pay close attention to so what's on the site should reflect what's seen in the credits.

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2016, 01:21:03 PM »
Starting with 1205, all Friday episodes use Good Feeling.  Is that correct?  Or do some (such as 1220) use Tomorrow?

1205 and 1210 do. Even though I haven't watched it all the way through yet, I did just check 1220 and it actually ends with just the Weekend Song.

It's interesting that many elements of 1216-1220 appear to be older, but they still have the 1972 copyright date.  Strange.

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Do these Friday episodes all have "Snappy New Day"?  Do they all transition from "The feeling to know" into the first verse of the Weekend Song?

1205, 1210, and 1215  all include "snappy new day" and transition straight into the Weekend Song much like we're used to on the "modern" Friday episodes. I will point out that on all three of these episodes, Mister Rogers adds the words "today" as in "I think I'll make a snappy new day, today."

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Was 1200 the last episode to use the 2nd verse of the Weekend Song?

1220 uses the second verse.

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1213 and 1218 both use Good Feeling as a regular song in the middle of an episode.  In both cases, does it use "12 inches", "you're alive", and the 2nd verse with "find you're in tune"?

1213 and 1218 both use "grow 12 inches," "you're alive," and "know you're in tune."

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Am I correct that no explanation is given in 1205, 1210, 1215, or 1220 about why he is singing Good Feeling at the end of the episode?

None that I recall. In most cases, he leads in by talking about how something like being creative (1218) gives him a good feeling.

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It seems that 1221 was the first non-Friday episode to end with Good Feeling, and it was very likely recorded before any of 1205, 1210, 1215, or 1220.  In that episode, it seems that Fred explained that he wants to sing something different.  It also seems that Fred sang only the first verse, "snappy new day", and hummed a 2nd verse, ending with "we're friends".  Is that all correct?

In 1221, Mister Rogers sits to change his shoes at the end of the episode and says "I feel like singing something different before I leave today. Yeah, I've liked being with you and that's a good feeling." You're exactly right ... he uses "snappy new day" (including the extra 'today') and then leads directly into the Weekend Song. No 2nd verse and no "we're friends."

LEF's original post said that rather than singing the weekend song, he just hummed, and then finished with "We're friends".  I wonder if you and he have different versions of the episode.  Or if I read one of our posts wrong?

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What episodes used "tomorrow's new" vs. "the day is new".  Did all Friday episodes use "the week is new"?

Hard to say without going back and checking every episode. My gut says that the earlier uses of the Weekend Song used "tomorrow's new" and when that song became more commonly used, it eventually evolved into "the day is new" to distinguish the Monday-Thursday episodes from the Friday "week is new." Haven't checked that to be certain, just my gut feeling.

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What closing song was used in each 1222 - 1243 episodes.  If Good Feeling and/or Weekend Song, what version was used of each?

I'll be getting to these episodes over the coming weeks and will, of course, detail what songs were used.

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Did any of 1222 - 1243 have an explanation as to why a particular closing song was used, like 1221 sort of did?

I'll be sure and make mention of anything that seems different from the typical idea of singing something new or having a good feeling about something.

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Did 1244 have any explanation about Tomorrow being used for the last time?

None at all. In typical Mister Rogers fashion, he just goes into the song as usual. No mention of it potentially being the last time he'd use it to close an episode.

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Do you have taping dates for other episodes besides 1221?  Were any Tomorrow episodes taped later than 1221 (11/11/71)?

I wish I did. I've always thought it'd be interesting to compare the recording schedule to the broadcast schedule. Unfortunately, the only taping dates I've got are limited to handful of episodes where the intro screen shows this information.

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Am I correct that 1196-1204 and 1221 all have 1971 copyright dates?  And that 1205-1220 and 1222-1260 all have 1972 copyright dates?

As far as I'm aware. I do my best to detail the credits exactly as they appear ... even down to the copyright date at the end of each episode. I can't say there aren't a few that I might have missed when they've bounced between years like 1971 and 1972, but I can say this is something I try to pay close attention to so what's on the site should reflect what's seen in the credits.

Thanks.  Do you have any response yet to my other 2 posts in this thread (about the 12 inches line, and about the version of the song listed on your website)?

Thanks again.

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Re: It's Such A Good Feeling first Monday show to use as closing
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2016, 05:10:25 PM »
Thanks for all the info, Tim.

From what I've gathered, not all episodes from 1206-1220 have 1972 copyright dates.   Looking at the screencaps, I'm seeing 1971 copyright dates on episodes 1206-1209, 1213, 1214, 1216, 1217, and 1219.   And Tim's typed-out credits also show 1971 for all of those except 1216 and 1217.   The ones that definitely have 1972 copyright dates so far are 1205, 1210, 1211, 1212, 1215, and 1218.   1220-1230 have yet to be posted, but ladyelainefairchilde's posts seem to indicate that 1221 and 1229 have 1971 copyright dates, while 1226-1228 and 1230 have 1972 copyright dates.   By the way, from what I've seen so far, you can easily distinguish the 1972 copyrights because they have "MISTER ROGERS' NEIGHBORHOOD" in plain text between the logo and the copyright notice.

Regarding 1221... my interpretation of LEF's post was that it *does* have the "Weekend Song" coda (with "tomorrow's new"), followed by Mr. Rogers talking, and *then* the short "Good Feeling" reprise with the humming and "we're friends".    This would be similar to what he did on other 1972-73 era episodes that I've seen, except on those episodes he would sing "It's such a good feeling, a very good feeling..." rather than humming that part.   I know Tim said there was no second verse, but maybe he thought you were referring to the full second verse with "in tune" and so forth.  Perhaps we'll get more clarification when he posts the recap.

And speaking of that second verse... I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing the show itself never used it combined with "snappy new day" and "we're friends".   However, the later versions of the album A Place Of Our Own have the lyrics exactly as transcribed on the Archive.   Also, the 1986 Tonight Show performance of the song starts with the normal closing version (including the "Weekend Song" portion), then John Costa does a solo, and finally Fred sings the second verse with the modified "snappy new day" and "we're friends" lyrics.

As for the "12 inches" line, I don't think there was any censorship involved... he probably just changed it to make it fit better as a closing song, and to incorporate a snapping portion just like "Tomorrow".
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