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Title: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 24, 2013, 11:23:10 AM
Tim: When you watched 1071-1075 (I know you've seen at least 1071 so far), is the traffic light the "old" one with the "large" visors (used in 1001-1070, I think) or the "new" one with the "small" visors (used in 1076-1765, I think)?  If you can't tell the difference, then can you check 1066 (which I know for sure has the "old" one) and any post-1970 episode (all of which I know for sure have the "new" one) and compare to 1071 (if you absolutely do not have time to watch even the opening of 1071 again, can you at least try to take notice in 1072-1075)?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: Neighborhood Archive on June 24, 2013, 09:31:52 PM
Here's a shot of the light from 1072:

(http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/blog/images/1072light.jpg)
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: JCostaThePro on June 25, 2013, 05:10:04 AM
Sorry, i know hardly anything about the traffic light, but could either of you tell from the pic Tim just posted which one this is? Does it look similar to one used from about 1076-1765? I never knew there were two different versions of the traffic light.

One other possible idea: instead of the opening to a post-1970 episode, would it also be an option to check scenes from episodes that show a good glimpse of the traffic light (such as 1460 or 1635) and compare? Since 1635 is a modern episode, Tim obviously doesn't have to check on that.
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 25, 2013, 08:31:16 PM
It's hard to tell from the angle, but I think that is the newer traffic light, with the smaller visors.  Another shot that shows the depth of the visors would make it easier to tell.  Did you compare it to an older and a newer episode?
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on October 14, 2013, 09:55:36 PM
Tim: if it's not a problem, could you check 1067-1070, to see if perhaps the new traffic light debuted mid-week, rather than in 1071?  We know 1066 has the old traffic light.  It's also possible that 1066-1070 wasn't all shot in order and maybe some episodes have the old traffic light and some have the new traffic light.  I wonder if there could even be some episodes where the traffic light switches between old and new.

Also, since the first 6 models are introduced in 1066-1070, but the Eiffel Tower not until 1080, I wonder if perhaps 1080 could have been shot with 1066-1070, and maybe 1080 has the old traffic light too.  Can you check?  That could explain why the Eiffel Tower model is seen in 1079.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: Neighborhood Archive on October 15, 2013, 08:23:04 PM
You may need to remind me in a few days but I'll try and get to this as soon as I can. Got a sick kiddo in the house right now so not much getting done... Don't let me forget about this though...
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on October 18, 2013, 11:47:25 AM
You may need to remind me in a few days but I'll try and get to this as soon as I can. Got a sick kiddo in the house right now so not much getting done... Don't let me forget about this though...

Hope your kid feels better.  When should I remind you again?
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on October 31, 2013, 05:36:31 PM
Tim:

This is your reminder.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: Neighborhood Archive on November 01, 2013, 06:57:07 AM
:)  I was actually just thinking about this yesterday. After a busy last few weeks, I'll have some free time this weekend and should be able to take a look at this for you. Thanks for the reminder...
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: Neighborhood Archive on November 01, 2013, 08:28:40 PM
I don't have an eye for the different traffic lights like some of you do but this is the best I can do. Here are shots of the light from the episodes you mentioned with the exception of 1070 -- the copy I have of 1070 has the beginning cut.

(http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/blog/images/light10671080.jpg)
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on November 02, 2013, 12:36:21 AM
Thanks for posting those.  It's a little hard to tell from that angle, but it appears that all of 1066-1070 have the old traffic light, and everything starting from 1071 has the new one.  I wonder why they switched after 1 week of a season.  Strange.
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: JCostaThePro on November 02, 2013, 09:38:47 AM
Strangely, like on Giving & Recieving 1721, it appears the light was flashing green during the week of 1066-1070. I keep hearing that most other episodes typically had the light flashing yellow, since that meant "slow down." I guess they were aware that other parts of the show (such as Costa's outro music and some NOM stories, ect.) weren't as slow as Rogers was, but if that's the case, i wonder why they only did that w/ 1066-1070 and 1721 but no others? It would be interesting if there's an episode (and sadly, i doubt there is) that opened with the light flashing red! That certainly wouldn't make any sense, since red means "stop" but the camera's still moving!
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on November 02, 2013, 11:11:54 AM
No, I distinctly remember the yellow light flashing in 1066-1070 (no idea about 1721).  I think what you are thinking of is that Tim said that sometimes (such as in 1001) the studio lights reflect off of the green light, making it appear to be on.  I wonder if maybe that was why the traffic light was changed?
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: JCostaThePro on November 10, 2013, 03:35:25 PM
No, I distinctly remember the yellow light flashing in 1066-1070 (no idea about 1721).  I think what you are thinking of is that Tim said that sometimes (such as in 1001) the studio lights reflect off of the green light, making it appear to be on.  I wonder if maybe that was why the traffic light was changed?

But i thought you said it was green, at least on 1066 if not 1067-1070. Didn't you say so in reply #17 of this thread?

http://neighborhoodarchive.com/forum/index.php?topic=789.15

Or did i just misunderstand you? And yes, it was indeed green on 1721 (but probably not 1722-1725) because someone else said so and Tim made a note of it on that episode's article.
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on November 10, 2013, 09:29:26 PM
No, I distinctly remember the yellow light flashing in 1066-1070 (no idea about 1721).  I think what you are thinking of is that Tim said that sometimes (such as in 1001) the studio lights reflect off of the green light, making it appear to be on.  I wonder if maybe that was why the traffic light was changed?

But i thought you said it was green, at least on 1066 if not 1067-1070. Didn't you say so in reply #17 of this thread?

http://neighborhoodarchive.com/forum/index.php?topic=789.15

Or did i just misunderstand you? And yes, it was indeed green on 1721 (but probably not 1722-1725) because someone else said so and Tim made a note of it on that episode's article.

I'm sorry, that was a typo.  I will correct it.  The traffic light was flashing yellow during the opening of 1066 (and all later episodes), and steady green during the actual episode (and all later episodes).  It seems that in the black and white episodes (at least some of them), the light was always yellow, even during the episode.  When did it switch to green?

The flashing green in 1721 is bizzarre, since in the US, flashing green traffic lights have no meaning.  Was there some explanation for that?  Or was it a production error?  Or maybe the yellow light burned out?
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on January 28, 2016, 11:12:32 AM
By the way, in looking at the pictures from Episode 1056, the traffic light appears to be completely off.  The yellow and green lights are both off.  The red light is not visible, but that one was almost never used.

Back then, was it normal for the traffic light to always be off during an episode, rather than green?  Or, was it perhaps flashing yellow, and that picture was when it was off?
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on January 28, 2016, 11:15:54 AM
No, I distinctly remember the yellow light flashing in 1066-1070 (no idea about 1721).  I think what you are thinking of is that Tim said that sometimes (such as in 1001) the studio lights reflect off of the green light, making it appear to be on.  I wonder if maybe that was why the traffic light was changed?

But i thought you said it was green, at least on 1066 if not 1067-1070. Didn't you say so in reply #17 of this thread?

http://neighborhoodarchive.com/forum/index.php?topic=789.15

Or did i just misunderstand you? And yes, it was indeed green on 1721 (but probably not 1722-1725) because someone else said so and Tim made a note of it on that episode's article.

I'm sorry, that was a typo.  I will correct it.  The traffic light was flashing yellow during the opening of 1066 (and all later episodes), and steady green during the actual episode (and all later episodes).  It seems that in the black and white episodes (at least some of them), the light was always yellow, even during the episode.  When did it switch to green?

The flashing green in 1721 is bizzarre, since in the US, flashing green traffic lights have no meaning.  Was there some explanation for that?  Or was it a production error?  Or maybe the yellow light burned out?

Do we know yet when the traffic light during the epsidoes became green rather than yellow?  I had assumed 1001, but my latest observation from 1056 shows that might not be the case.  Maybe it was 1066, the earliest episode I remember.
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: cjsebes on July 21, 2017, 04:49:05 PM
Hey, all. I just wanted to chime in on the traffic light mystery and give you my two cents as a collector of traffic signals.

That strip of photos that were posted appear to be the same traffic signal. To me, it looks to be a Marbelite TE-19408. These were very common, being manufactured from about the late 1950s through the mid 1970s. It's not uncommon to find some still in service today around New York and New Jersey.

It's likely the same light the entire time through all episodes. The visors were likely changed out or cut down as they are easily removable with four screws holding each one on. Those visors are known as tunnel visors. I doubt the signal was swapped out. The hinges and doors seem to be the same in all of the photos.

I hope this helps. BTW, here's mine in green with cutaway visors.
(http://www.mytrafficlights.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Marb19408-682x1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: mitsguy2001 on July 24, 2017, 11:20:17 AM
Thanks.  I wonder why they changed the visors.  Do you think that the traffic lights in the black and white seasons are also the same?
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: cjsebes on September 21, 2017, 09:39:27 PM
I believe it's the same one. If you look at the location of the hinges on the left side of the traffic light, they're the same, even on this screen grab from the black-and-white days. (http://www.mytrafficlights.com/photos/MrRogersTrafficLight-BW-grab.png)
Title: Re: Traffic light in 1071-1075
Post by: cjsebes on September 21, 2017, 10:23:25 PM
I've been trying to collect the episodes that show Mr. Rogers interacting with his traffic light. I don't want the whole episode... just the interaction with his signal. I have a couple of them, but have documented all of the episodes. (At least I think I've documented them all.) If anyone can help me get those clips, I'd be forever grateful.

http://www.mytrafficlights.com/photos/MrRogersTrafficLightInteractions.pdf (http://www.mytrafficlights.com/photos/MrRogersTrafficLightInteractions.pdf)