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Mister Rogers' Neighborhood => Cast and Characters => Topic started by: Dais79 on July 08, 2011, 02:53:48 PM

Title: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Dais79 on July 08, 2011, 02:53:48 PM
TL was kind enough to direct me back to a link to this interview he posted on his blog a few years back
http://billmadison.blogspot.com/2009/03/interview-betty-aberlin.html

If you haven't read it yet, I loved it.  Lady A was such a role model, as a little girl I thought she was the most beautiful and graceful "lady".  I hope she knows how many little girls admired her. . .and still do!
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: earnhardtfan4life on July 08, 2011, 10:07:00 PM
It's a two way street!  I will admit she was probably my first crush!  A lot of other men would probably say the same thing.

I am curious, I wonder why Fred didn't offer Josie to be the leading lady in MRN? 

Mike
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Eric S on August 09, 2011, 03:15:48 AM
From what I understand, when the Children's Corner went off the air, Josie had no shortage of other opportunities. Fred went to Canada to do the Canadian version of the show, then brought it to the US. I don't know if there was discussion of using Josie Carey on the show or not, but I wonder if she'd have been interested since she wouldn't have been the host anymore.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Paul on August 09, 2011, 10:22:26 AM
From what I understand from the Josie Carrie archive interview, the more Fred got into the child development side of things, the more he and Josie started disagreeing on small things and approaches. For example, when Josie did appear briefly on MRN, they were doing a scene with a popcorn popper. The popcorn popper somehow overflowed and popcorn went all over. Josie thought it was quite funny, but Fred insisted on re-filming the scene, because it might scare the children. I know there was some disagreement over how Fred chose to end Josephine as well.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: bka on August 26, 2011, 07:41:20 AM
Josey was devastated. Although she put the good face on it. She had introduced her friends Brockett & Costa to Fred, and they began to work on the program and she felt she had lost them and been exiled from something she had helped to create. 
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Degeneration X The Owl on August 26, 2011, 10:58:47 AM
Sounds like there is a another side to Fred that needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: bka on August 26, 2011, 06:29:08 PM
there's no addressing it, and everyone has his or her perspective on the whole truth. he came from wealth and priviledge (Mr. Allmine), and had a specific ministry as his charge (working with parents & children on t.v.) - she was working-class, was far too improvisationally spontaneous for his need to control, and it was as though he put Children's Corner behind him, not wanting any longer to be part of that duo in which he was behind the sets and puppets, but in every sense, coming out, as is - it wasn't called Misterogers' Neighborhood for nothing.  The title of the show says all. Well not all, because like it takes a village, his neighborhood was not entirely of this earth, and all were welcomed, except Josie (as an equal partner in the Work). It was her being sacrificed that offered me the opportunity to work, and I have always felt guilty about it.  Of course in my own time, and in my own experience, I came to understand firsthand what she had suffered, and in my own way made sacrifices and was myself sacrificed.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: earnhardtfan4life on August 27, 2011, 12:57:01 AM
Listening to a lot of the Children's Corner songs on LP, Josey gave Fred's songs a hollywood flair to them.  You could picture someone like Judy Garland singing that music.  Which not to knock Costa down but it made Fred's songs stand out.  I would have loved for Dean Martin to have recorded Fred's music.  Talk about catchy music!

Mike 

     
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: OperaLover on August 28, 2011, 09:45:46 AM
Betty,
I am supposing that Fred could only see the larger picture, the end result of what he was called to do and in reaching that goal, you were sacrificed for the cause.
It's as if because you and the other actors/puppets were not the recipient of his ministry, you didn't matter.
It truly is a dichotomy because your feelings matter as much as the feelings of the children you ministered to.
YOU are special.
YOU are the only one like you.
YOU are not a mistake.
The list goes on and on.
You are as fragile as every little child the show was reaching out to.
We all have souls needing to be fed, nourished, loved unconditionally and yet, those aspects of Fred's team, were disregarded.
It's like he only had eyes for his mission and forget, dismiss, disregard or don't even notice the casualties caused by being so focused on a directive.
The soul is ageless.
Your needs should have been ministered to as well.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: bka on August 28, 2011, 10:19:09 PM
oh he ministered to us as well, but the adulation he received along with his prodigious education his advantages and opportunities and his insight (both worldly & spiritual) made for a somewhat false personna, which his fans & hagiographers needed to have be a fixed constant identity. when a person believes in his own infallibility, even as an "expert" something is lost.  the cobbler's childdren go barefoot, and one man cannot satisfy everyone in the audience, everyone in the company & crew - he did a wonderful job of loving a great many people who all wanted a piece of him, including his own family. while it may be true that some of us drawn to his work for reasons of our own childhoods (like his, many were - in the parlance - "disfunctional") might have made good use of the slogans and reassurances he and we were dealing out to others, it is mortifying to be comforted with his script. He did not invent love.
I always had a special communication with children - I still have it, and I do not owe it to Fred, nor do I give my time my loyalty & my devotion to the progra and begin to tie every free gift I have every been given to the program.  It's for God.  That's Who we served.  Fred was not himself, albeit a media-made icon - God. Genius, yes. Vision, yes. human, oh yes.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: earnhardtfan4life on August 29, 2011, 12:03:34 AM
Do we know how many households tuned in for the RFK episode of MRN?

I have wondered if Fred's decision to continue the program after the initial run of 100 episodes on the Eastern Educational Network was due to the fact that America was facing such a difficult crisis.  I think a lot of people had wondered if the American system had been broken given the amount of assassinations that occurred.  He must have known that the need was there for a program like his.  Considering the fact that Vietnam war stories were being covered on the news; MRN/Sesame Street provided an outlet for children to watch.   

Mike
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: OperaLover on August 29, 2011, 01:21:45 AM
Yes, the cobbler's children go barefoot.
Reminds me of this Herbert Scott poem

The Grocer's Children

The grocer's children
eat day-old bread
Moldy cakes and cheese
Soft black bananas
on stale shredded wheat,
Weeviled rice, their plates
heaped high with wilted
greens, bruised fruit,
surprise treats
from unlabeled cans,
Tainted meat.
The grocer's children
never go hungry

My little girl at age four reciting this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZUCLl-8gyM

Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: OperaLover on August 29, 2011, 01:42:08 AM
When you say it is mortifying to be comforted with his script, do you mean the "fredisms?"
And I apologize for my own inadequacy in using some of them in my post above.
I feel bad if I've hurt you by applying them to what I was trying to say.
I guess what I should have said is that I wish there had not been such sacrifice on your part and that you were not weighed down with guilt for so many years.
Your God-given gifts have blessed me for 35 years and I wholeheartedly thank you.

Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: bka on September 01, 2011, 06:23:54 PM
no apology necessary, I assure you! And, for the record, I will now take credit for the assassination show. Not for the genius of the execution, but for the idea. I begged Fred to write it - as children were watching the Jack Ruby assassination of Oswald over and over on the t.v. And I loved performing it.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Degeneration X The Owl on September 01, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
I would love to see that episode in its entirety.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: OperaLover on September 02, 2011, 10:22:39 AM
Betty, your influence on the programming, artistically and internally was sheer brilliance.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Dais79 on September 02, 2011, 10:24:24 AM
I second that.  You are a treasure.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Degeneration X The Owl on September 06, 2011, 01:45:28 PM
bka, did you have a hand in the 1983 assasination special?
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: bka on September 25, 2011, 07:23:33 AM
yes, degeneration, I suggested it and got to perform in it.  it was a genius script.  My eye make-up was a bit excessive, however. :0)
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Degeneration X The Owl on September 25, 2011, 03:27:42 PM
I've tried everything to obtain a copy with no success whatsoever
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: ladyelainefairchilde on September 26, 2011, 06:39:48 PM
I've try everything in my power to obtain copies recently. Here is a recent message i got from ENR attendant.

Unfortunately, we no longer provide copies of Mister Rogers Neighborhood episodes, and it's unclear to me whether we ever should have done so in the past. All requests for copies of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood programs must go to the Fred Rogers Company (formerly Family Communications, Inc.):


lef :(
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Wicked knife and fork on September 26, 2011, 07:04:06 PM
I took a trip to Pittsburgh a few years ago for the tour of the Neighborhood of Make-Believe set. At the University of Pittsburgh Library, they have almost the entire series available for the public to watch. Although there were some technical issues (the tapes were pre-VHS and even pre-Beta), I did watch some of the pre-79's. I love "The Purple Adventures of Lady Elaine Fairchilde" and the "remembering" week where they look into the crystal ball in Make-Believe and look into the future. They even show Daniel and Collette Tiger getting married! I watched the RFK assassination special too, and it was amazing. Anyway, I thought I'd attach the link for the library in case anyone ever wants to make a road trip to Pittsburgh or contact the library staff.

http://www.library.pitt.edu/libraries/is/enroom/mrrogers/mrrogrs.htm

Hope this helps,
WKAF (Wicked Knife and Fork)

P.S. When I took the trip, Mom told her teacher friends that her son was in grad school and wanted to see "an exhibit" in Pittsburgh and "spend some time at the Pitt library." lol
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Degeneration X The Owl on September 26, 2011, 10:26:41 PM
LEF,

That leaves only one option.  Obtain copies through pirated means.  Even if we have to go through Craigs List to do it.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: earnhardtfan4life on September 27, 2011, 06:42:38 AM
I could be wrong, but I think we are all paying for Fred's mistake of selling the rights of "Tomorrow."  That could be what the issue is with the pre-79s.  If it wasn't for that, we probably would have all the episodes out of the closet by now.  Then again FRC would probably have a reason to hold them back anyways.

Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: pastorscott on September 27, 2011, 09:00:37 AM
Please give more details about his selling the rights of "Tomorrow." I wasn't aware of this.  To whom did he sell the rights to?  Josie Carey? 
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: ladyelainefairchilde on September 27, 2011, 12:49:40 PM
The reason why the ending song was changed to "Such a Good Feeling" was because "Tomorrow" was still partially copyrighted to an earlier show that he worked on called "The Children's Corner"; though a few lyric were changed to avoid total infringement. The lyric change occurred in the middle part. It originally went? "I know tomorrow will be haaaaapy/ And so, tomorrow, make it snaaaapy!"

lef  :)
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: ladyelainefairchilde on September 27, 2011, 01:08:40 PM

lef  :)

 
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: ladyelainefairchilde on September 27, 2011, 01:13:25 PM
LEF,

That leaves only one option.  Obtain copies through pirated means.  Even if we have to go through Craigs List to do it.

Unfortunely there are no bootleg pre-79s copies floating around the internet. Craigs List does not sell any pre-79s.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: ladyelainefairchilde on September 27, 2011, 02:30:50 PM
It is nice to beable to watch earlier episodes. If I did decide to take a trip down there. Technical stuff since videotapes are old fashion but still made with professional quality. Which is probably why they still
even work to this day. My older tapes are nearly on there death bed. I would rather own the episodes
than just watch them at that library in pittsburgh. Perhaps submit an invitation request to vist Fred
Rogers Center have access to children's corner episodes, cbc misterogers remaster digitize pre-79s.
I have never seen 1077 looking so detailed looking, sound quality is 50 times cleaner than my old tape.

lef :)
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: earnhardtfan4life on September 27, 2011, 10:51:12 PM
Submitting an invitation doesn't work either at the Fred Rogers Center!!!

Apparently you can only access those episodes if you are doing scholarly research or some bull.




Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: bka on September 28, 2011, 02:11:58 PM
must be why they changed the company name from Family Communications (come one come all) to The Fred Rogers Company (some such bull). :0)
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: earnhardtfan4life on September 30, 2011, 02:28:38 AM
Hopefully the Fred Rogers Center will continue to sprinkle pre79s throughout their web site.  I've already checked out the curriculm toolkit guide with them.

I really don't see any alternative but to wait for more pre79s to be released by Amazon.  There are a number of web sites out there that have complete guides for all the 900 some odd episodes, but no downloads.  I found one that claimed to have episodes including the Christmastime special.  But once you downloaded the application onto Windows and opened it to search videos nothing would come up even if you typed in Mister Rogers.

Do we know how our local PBS stations got the show?  (Before the days of satellite)  I wondered if they got the show from reels of film.

Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Lawrence Martin on September 30, 2011, 04:48:52 PM
This message goes out to everybody and it also goes out to BKA (Betty Aberlin) and I want to say this  to you Betty and  that this is a favorite clip of mine with you as Lady Aberlin along side  Daniel S Tiger in this link from the Fred Rogers company below
 
http://www.fci.org/videos/mrn-episode-1510.html

I really enjoy what ever I can get out of life and a quote that Fred saw at Rollins college was life is for service and I love that quote I'll take any
thing the Fred Rogers center or Fred Rogers company has to offer to the public if it is or is not on Amazon Itunes or Ebay  I feel like this is like the many ways to say I love you song I think it could be also called  there are may ways to get the neighborhood from others we may not have all 895 Episode but there books and records/cds and pictures and toys and so many wonderful things I hope  Tim  and Betty and  the other neighbors that are a part of this neighborhood archive website and message board will  have a great Friday. 
Long live the King and Queen of make-believe ;D
your neighbor
Lawrence
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Dais79 on October 04, 2011, 09:17:38 PM
I agree, Neighbor Lawrence!!  I am sure there is a reasoning behind why the pre-1979's are not widely available, and I am just very happy with all that we DO have available to us! 
And that moment between Lady A and DST is one of my faves as well :)  My local PBS aired that episode the day you posted that link and my boys and I watched it twice.  So sweet.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: bka on October 10, 2011, 12:46:49 PM
all the L.A.-alone-with-Daniel moments are precious to me. such intimacy. (into-me-see)
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Jazzman67 on January 07, 2012, 03:09:24 PM
I must say, I've been lucky to obtain a few of the episodes on VHS. My favorite is the Robert kennedy assasination episode. The episode really illiustrated hust how important it was to care for children at such a delicate time in Amerca's history. Keep  in mind that the program qaas produced after the assasination of both JFK and Martin Luthur King.

What's interesting to note is that the script never mentions the specific event of Robert Kennedy at all. So this program can easily be used in modern day time. The message of understanding that it's not always appropiate to play with gun play, or that it can be easier to be the victim than the shooter are good messages to relay to parents.

Also, the illustration of concern of loosing air from one's body like you can let air out of a baloon is very clearly illustrated in the conversation beteen Daniel and Betty A. is very good, as well.

Fred goes on to talk directly with parents about his feelings about having control over ones feelings. At the end of the program he talks about how it's good to include the children in however ways the family wanted to cope with the assasination of RFK...whether to watch the funeral or go for a walk in the park.

Betty A. I thank you for your contribution to making such an important program in the history of MRN! It's a well done program that should eventually be on DVD.

Andreas
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Degeneration X The Owl on January 07, 2012, 08:35:04 PM
DUDE, any way I can obtain a copy?
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Jazzman67 on January 08, 2012, 04:08:49 AM
I'm afraid  I cannot make a copy since I don't live in the USA. It's unfortunate for many of you, I know. On the other hand, I don't have the large collection of videos that some of you have. I jhave just a few copies from the Neighborhood. So, I'm just happy with what I've been able to have in my small collection.

Life is like that. I'm probably one of the biggest fans of the Neighborhood programs, and am blessed to have wriiten to Mr. Rogers and his associates at the Fred Rogers Company. So, I wish to respect their current policy of not distrubuting copies to others. We've had a long, good friendship spanning over 30 years.

Hopefully, the work that is currently being done at the Fred Rogers Center will result in us being able to view the classic episodes as well as other special programs in the future. Be glad for what you have and treasure the memories of what you've seen.
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Lady_Elaine on January 08, 2012, 05:59:45 PM
Here's an interesting off the cuff interview of Betty Aberlin from about 1991 protesting the first Gulf War and talking about certain issues and how television has changed...Pretty interesting to see her in a non-neighborhood setting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fSOxx8yzAw
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Degeneration X The Owl on January 08, 2012, 06:20:19 PM
I'm afraid  I cannot make a copy since I don't live in the USA. It's unfortunate for many of you, I know. On the other hand, I don't have the large collection of videos that some of you have. I jhave just a few copies from the Neighborhood. So, I'm just happy with what I've been able to have in my small collection.

Life is like that. I'm probably one of the biggest fans of the Neighborhood programs, and am blessed to have wriiten to Mr. Rogers and his associates at the Fred Rogers Company. So, I wish to respect their current policy of not distrubuting copies to others. We've had a long, good friendship spanning over 30 years.

Hopefully, the work that is currently being done at the Fred Rogers Center will result in us being able to view the classic episodes as well as other special programs in the future. Be glad for what you have and treasure the memories of what you've seen.

  You can't transfer it to digital?
Title: Re: Lady Aberlin
Post by: Jazzman67 on January 09, 2012, 10:12:19 AM
I have chosen not to bother because I was lucky enough to get this at all. And I have so much respect for the people at FCI and their wish not to distribute any more copies. Please don't ask me again. I think we all can appreciate what we have.