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Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood => Episodes => Topic started by: UUrselfRSpecial on September 11, 2012, 10:41:48 AM

Title: Grandpere
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on September 11, 2012, 10:41:48 AM
Something very curious in today's episode -- Everyone keeps saying that Daniel's father, though on DTN only known as Dad Tiger and we never hear his first name, is supposed to be the grown up MRN Daniel. But then today we find out that Dad Tiger's father is Grandpere!!!!!!! It's great to have a Grandpere reference, there's absolutely no way that on MRN, Grandpere could have been Daniel's father, and I can't imagine Fred ever secretly intending for that. Daniel lived alone in the clock, with Lady Aberlin as his mother figure, so I'm sure either his parents died or it's possible that he was adopted by the grownups in the NOMB. Second, remember in 1456 - 1460, there's the prediction that Daniel and Grandpere's granddaughter Collette would marry, so it would be incestuous as Daniel would be marrying either his niece or his daughter! And indeed, as stated in 1531-1535, Grandpere is indeed Collette's paternal grandfather! In fact, if anything, I was wondering if maybe Mom Tiger, whose first name is also unknown, is Collette with an American accent. So therefore I'm thinking that maybe Dad Tiger isn't MRN Daniel grownup. What did yo uall think when hearing this about Grandpere today?
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: Neighborhood Archive on September 11, 2012, 11:58:26 AM
http://www.pbs.org/parents/daniel/about/meet-the-characters/
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: Ian16545 on September 11, 2012, 03:06:04 PM
I was wondering when that was gonna come up...  ???
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: bka on September 11, 2012, 07:41:41 PM
DTN is in an alternative universe.  they look like our characters and their neighborhood of make believe looks very like ours, but they aren't and it isn't.
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: Neighborhood Archive on September 11, 2012, 08:09:16 PM
But then today we find out that Dad Tiger's father is Grandpere!

Watch it again. While the lineage is still different from the original Neighborhood, Grandpere is the father of Dad Tiger (Daniel Striped Tiger) and the grandfather of Daniel Tiger (the show's main character).

Here is a link to details from the episode: http://neighborhoodarchive.com/dtn/episodes/108a_something_special_dad/index.html
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: pastorscott on September 11, 2012, 09:02:46 PM
I agree with Betty...in my opinion, I think we're trying to connect the dots too much between the original and this new show and make the dots make sense.  The relationships aren't supposed to make logical connections with the old.  It would have been nice if there was more consistency/continuity for us adults, but that's not happening in some situations (like the Grandpere situation).  We just have deal with the show for what it is and not try to reconcile some of these inconsistencies that we glean.  Either the writers are just ignorant of the past or don't care.  Ignorance would put the better construction on the situation.

DTN is an alternative universe.

Scott

Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: Paul on September 11, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
Either the writers are just ignorant of the past or don't care.  Ignorance would put the better construction on the situation. DTN is an alternative universe.

So sad. The original neighborhood had literally a universe of wonderful and much more intricate connections. Details from one episode may be mentioned hundreds of episodes later in a side comment. So extraordinary... Indeed the neighborhood of DTN is not anywhere close to the "Universe of Make-Believe" in which Westwood, Northwood, Southwood, Someplace Else, Shadyville, Glassland, Planet Purple, A.O.P., and the Neighborhood of Make-Believe reside. It is an A.O.U. - Altogether Other Universe...
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: galenfott on September 11, 2012, 11:30:50 PM
Still not having seen the show, much less this episode, perhaps I shouldn't chime in. But "grand-pere" is of course simply French for "grandfather". Isn't it possible that the Grandpere on MRN is MRN-Daniel's grandfather? And that the "Grandpere" referred to on DTN is the grandfather to DTN-Daniel? In other words, it's not the same "Grandpere" as on MRN. I'm pretty sure that when my father referred to his father when talking to me, he called him "Grandfather" because that's what *I* called him. Likewise, my father is "Grandfather" to my son.

So: MRN-"Grandpere" begat DTN-"Grandpere", who begat MRN-Daniel, who begat DTN-Daniel. Does that work?
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: JAO93 on September 12, 2012, 03:04:04 AM
DTN is in an alternative universe.  they look like our characters and their neighborhood of make believe looks very like ours, but they aren't and it isn't.


That is correct. It is sad to think the original (and infinitely better) NOMB is being left behind while it's shined up superficial 'twin' takes over in the DTN canon.

This is hardly a new phenomenon and has happened with other long running names (Thomas the Tank Engine being an infamous culprit). It is sad to see, and almost exclusively the fault of the ignorami directors whom discard the fine originals in favor of what they view is suit - often in the pursuit of money.
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: mitsguy2001 on September 12, 2012, 11:07:38 PM
Still not having seen the show, much less this episode, perhaps I shouldn't chime in. But "grand-pere" is of course simply French for "grandfather". Isn't it possible that the Grandpere on MRN is MRN-Daniel's grandfather? And that the "Grandpere" referred to on DTN is the grandfather to DTN-Daniel? In other words, it's not the same "Grandpere" as on MRN. I'm pretty sure that when my father referred to his father when talking to me, he called him "Grandfather" because that's what *I* called him. Likewise, my father is "Grandfather" to my son.

So: MRN-"Grandpere" begat DTN-"Grandpere", who begat MRN-Daniel, who begat DTN-Daniel. Does that work?

On MRN, Grandpere was definitely not Daniel's grandfather.  Remember, during Grandparents week, (1531-1535), Daniel was upset that he didn't have a grandfather.
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: galenfott on September 12, 2012, 11:15:51 PM
Okay, but that doesn't really detract from my central thesis, which is that "Grandpere" simply means "grandfather". And so to DTN-Daniel, "Grandpere" is his father's father (i.e. the father of MRN-Daniel), and not intended to be the same character called "Grandpere" from MRN. (But as a side question, whose grandfather *was* MRN-Grandpere supposed to be?)
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: galenfott on September 12, 2012, 11:20:48 PM
I guess the answer to my side question is "Collette", but it's odd that there was a character named "Grandfather" long before there was anyone for him to be the grandfather of.
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: mitsguy2001 on September 14, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
I guess the answer to my side question is "Collette", but it's odd that there was a character named "Grandfather" long before there was anyone for him to be the grandfather of.

Keep in mind that Grandperre predates MRN.  I beleive he was on the Children's Corner, and maybe he was someone's grandfather there.  I think I read that there was a tiger named Danielle Collette, which was probably an early version of Collette.  It also makes me wonder if they had envisioned Daniel and Collette as a couple from the very begining.

In any case, people need to accept that there is not really intended to be continuity between MRN and DTN.  Even within eras of MRN itself, continuity wasn't always followed.
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: misterrogersismyhero on September 14, 2012, 09:50:50 PM
Since DTN is supposed to be a spinoff of MRN, then I would definitely say there is supposed to be continuity between the two. However, Grandpere is just the French word for Grandpa, and there is no indication that Daniel Striped Tiger's father is supposed to be the same Grandpere. It is just the name that both DTN and MRN use for Grandpa.
Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: Jonathan on March 04, 2018, 03:05:59 PM
Since DTN is supposed to be a spinoff of MRN, then I would definitely say there is supposed to be continuity between the two. However, Grandpere is just the French word for Grandpa, and there is no indication that Daniel Striped Tiger's father is supposed to be the same Grandpere. It is just the name that both DTN and MRN use for Grandpa.


But Daniel Striped Tiger didn't have a father so how could his son know Daniel Striped Tiger's father as his grandfather? They should have made Grandpere be the maternal grandfather.

Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: Jonathan on March 04, 2018, 03:14:06 PM
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Even within eras of MRN itself, continuity wasn't always followed.


How so? By aging characters or by not aging them? Prince Tuesday and Anna were born on the show. Daniel was there from the start. It's common for TV shows to rapidly age characters or in the case of cartoons, to keep them the same age forever. Is there any other way continuity was not followed?

Title: Re: Grandpere
Post by: mitsguy2001 on March 05, 2018, 11:10:13 AM
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Even within eras of MRN itself, continuity wasn't always followed.


How so? By aging characters or by not aging them? Prince Tuesday and Anna were born on the show. Daniel was there from the start. It's common for TV shows to rapidly age characters or in the case of cartoons, to keep them the same age forever. Is there any other way continuity was not followed?

The aging of characters is the main thing that I was thinking of.