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Title: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 27, 2012, 11:38:09 PM
Hello, everyone. My name is Nicky. I posted on this board a few weeks ago, and a lot of you might remember me from the yahoo board years ago (I posted there quite regularly from about 2004 - 2006). And I said that I would be posting a schedule of the weekday episodes. I know that a lot of the 9/3/84  - 8/30/96 schedule is posted on this forum, but there are some weeks missing and some of it may be hard to find. So therefore, I'm going to be posting most of those weeks. Also, I've been in touch with Hedda Sharapan who works at the Fred Rogers Company (and who also voiced Mrs. Frogg on MRN), and back in 2007, she mailed me whole September 3, 1984 - Aug. 31, 2007 schedule (but with Sept. 4, 1989 - April 27, 1990 missing). However, of those missing weeks, as well as Feb. 19, 1968 - Aug. 31, 1994, some of those weeks are confirmed either by Hedda or by other sources, and some I'll give either random or logical guesses. All debuts are confirmed. Also, ironically, there are some weeks I'm fuzzy on, and can't seem to locate Hedda's schedules at the moment since they're tucked behind a lot of material at my house, so most of the material even from Sept. 3, 1984 on is from memory. Here's the coding that I'll use in this schedule:

Red: Debut
Green: Last airing (or at least weekday airing)
Bold: Confirmed by Hedda Sharapan or official source
Italic: Confirmed by unofficial source, such as an article
Underline: What's believed to have aired, even though an unofficial source may say otherwise

Everything without a special color or font is a completely random or logical guess. Also, after certain weeks, there might be explanations, in the color or font if there is one, of why certain weeks aired when they did, or other interesting things of note about the airdate. And also, since there are only limited characters, I'll start doing it in parts, and I'll make notes of why I've picked certain stopping points for each part
That said, I'll start posting the schedule.

Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 28, 2012, 02:01:18 AM
Part 1: 2/19/68 - 8/24/79: The pre-79 era (or era of pre-79 debuts):

2/19 -2/23/68: 1 - 5
2/26 - 3/1/68: 6 - 10
3/4 -3/8/68: 11 - 15
3/11 - 3/15/68: 16 - 20
3/18 - 3/22/68: 21 -25
3/25 - 3/29/68: 26 - 30
4/1 - 4/5/68: 31 - 35
4/8 - 4/12/68: 36 - 40
4/15 - 4/19/68: 41 - 45 (This might have been intentional, because this was an opera airing Easter Friday, the Friday after Easter, when there were a lot of opera debuts and operas not airing in their proper positions, probably because they felt like they thought operas were major and therefore wanted to air when kids were out of school, and maybe the week after Easter was a common spring break time
4/22 - 4/26/68: 46 - 50
4/29 - 5/3/68: 51 - 55
5/6 - 5/10/68: 56 - 60
5/13 - 5/17/68: 61 - 65
5/20 - 5/24/68: 66 - 70
5/27 - 5/31/68: 71 - 75
6/3 - 6/7/68: 76 - 80
6/10 - 6/14/68: 81 - 85
6/17 - 6/21/68: 86 - 90
6/24 - 6/28/68: 91 - 95
7/1 - 7/5/68: 96 - 100
7/8 - 7/12/68: 101 - 105
7/15 - 7/19/68: 106 - 110
7/22 - 7/26/68: 111 - 115
7/29 - 8/2/68: 116 - 120
8/5 - 8/9/68: 121 - 125
8/12 - 8/16/68: 126 - 130

8/19 - 8/23/68: 1 - 5
8/26 - 8/30/68: 6 - 10
9/2 - 9/6/68: 11 - 15
9/9 - 9/13/68: 16 - 20
9/16 - 9/20/68: 21 - 25
9/23 - 9/27/68: 26 - 30
9/30 - 10/4/68: 31 - 35
10/7 - 10/11/68: 36 - 40
10/14 - 10/18/68: 41 - 45
10/21 - 10/25/68: 46 - 50
10/28 - 11/1/68: 51 - 55
11/4 - 11/8/68: 56 - 60
11/11 - 11/15/68: 61 - 65
11/18 - 11/22/68: 66 - 70
11/25 - 11/29/68: 71 - 75
12/2 - 12/6/68: 76 - 80
12/9 - 12/13/68: 81 - 85
12/16 - 12/20/68: 86 - 90
12/23 - 12/27/68: 91 - 95
12/30/68 - 1/3/69: 96 - 100
1/6 - 1/10/69: 101 - 105
1/13 - 1/17/69: 106 - 110
1/20 - 1/24/69: 111 - 115
1/27 - 1/31/69: 116 - 120
2/3 - 2/7/69: 121 - 125
(We know that the 1969 season premiered on 2/10, therefore there was one week that didn't rerun (at least when the others had their second airing)
2/10 - 2/14/69: 1001 - 1005
2/17 - 2/21/69: 1006 - 1010
2/24 - 2/28/69: 1011 - 1015
3/3 - 3/7/69: 1016 - 1020
3/10 - 3/14/69: 1021 - 1025
3/17 - 3/21/69: 1026 - 1030
3/24 - 3/28/69: 1031 - 1035
3/31 - 4/4/69: 1036 - 1040
4/7 - 4/11/69: 1041 - 1045
4/14 - 4/18/69: 1046 - 1050
4/21 - 4/25/69: 1051 - 1055 (an opera, but this wasn't the week after Easter)
4/28 - 5/2/69: 1056 - 1060
5/5 - 5/9/69: 1061 - 1065

5/12 - 5/16/69: 121 - 125 (yes, a third airing of that week before the second of 126 - 130, but I'll explain the theory of that later)
5/19 - 5/23/69: 126 - 130
Starting on May 26, my guess is that the last airings started, and they reran the past three seasons in between season debuts, and I'll explain that theory after certain in between season airings. Also of note, though 1 - 130 debuted uninterrupted, 1 - 65 and 66 - 130 are considered two different seasons.
5/26 - 5/30/69: 1 - 5 (since that week deals somewhat with war, it does make sense for the week of Memorial Day, which until the following year, was observed on May 30 rather than the last Monday in May)
6/2 - 6/6/69: 6 - 10
6/9 - 6/13/69: 11 - 15
6/16 - 6/20/69: 16 - 20
6/23 - 6/27/69: 21 - 25
6/30 - 7/4/69: 26 - 30 (I saw the episode descriptions for this week in an old TV Guide, and they matched the University of Pittsburgh Files that I got of recaps of each episode, and that's what led me to believe both that 121 - 125 had to have aired three times before 126 - 130 twice, and that they started with episode 1 on May 26).
7/7 - 7/11/69: 31 - 35
7/14 - 7/18/69: 36 - 40
7/21 - 7/25/69: 41 - 45
7/28 - 8/1/69: 46 - 50
8/4 - 8/8/69: 51 - 55
8/11 - 8/15/69: 56 - 60
8/18 - 8/22/69: 61 - 65
8/25 - 8/29/69: 66 - 70
9/1 - 9/5/69: 71 - 75
9/8 - 9/12/69: 76 - 80
9/15 - 9/19/69: 81 - 85
9/22 - 9/26/69: 86 - 90
9/29 - 10/3/69: 91 - 95
10/6 - 10/10/69: 96 - 100
10/13 - 10/17/69: 101 - 105
10/20 - 10/24/69: 106 - 110 (another TV Guide I found)
10/27 - 10/31/69: 111 - 115 (As it happens, 115 is appropriate for Halloween!)
11/3 - 11/7/69: 116 - 120
11/10 - 11/14/69: 121 - 125
11/17 - 11/21/69: 126 - 130
11/24 - 11/28/69: 1001 - 1005
12/1 - 12/5/69: 1006 - 1010
12/8 - 12/12/69: 1011 - 1015
12/15 - 12/19/69: 1016 - 1020
12/22 - 12/26/69: 1021 - 1025
12/29/69 - 1/2/70: 1026 - 1030
1/5 - 1/9/70: 1031 - 1035
1/12 - 1/16/70: 1036 - 1040
1/19 - 1/23/70: 1041 - 1045
1/26 - 1/30/70: 1046 - 1050 (1050, Chef Brockett's birthday episode, would air on Don Brockett's actual birthday!!!!!!)
2/2 - 2/6/70: 1066 - 1070
2/9 - 2/13/70: 1071 - 1075
2/16 - 2/20/70: 1076 - 1080
2/23 - 2/27/70: 1081 - 1085
3/2 - 3/6/70: 1086 - 1090
3/9 - 3/13/70: 1091 - 1095
3/16 - 3/20/70: 1096 - 1100
3/23 - 3/27/70: 1101 - 1105 (1101, the death of a Goldfish episode, debuted Holy Monday, the Monday before Easter, which could have been intentional because Holy Week commemorates the death of Jesus. However, the birth of Ana Platypus, 1104, would be Holy Thursday)
3/30 - 4/3/70: 1106 - 1110 (1110 is a play, and that would air Easter Friday)
4/6 - 4/10/70: 1111 - 1115
4/13 - 4/17/70: 1116 - 1120
4/20 - 4/24/70: 1121 - 1125 (an opera would debut not Easter Friday but the Friday during Passover, a common spring break period for schools, so that could have been intentional)
4/27 - 5/1/70: 1126 - 1130

Like in 1969, I'm guessing they interrupted the previous season's second run for the following season debut, hence the following three weeks.
5/4 - 5/8/70: 1051 - 1055
5/11 - 5/15/70: 1056 - 1060
5/18 - 5/22/70: 1061 - 1065
5/25 - 5/29/70: 66 - 70
6/1 - 6/5/70: 71 - 75
6/8 - 6/12/70: 76 - 80
6/15 - 6/19/70: 81 - 85
6/22 - 6/26/70: 86 - 90
6/29 - 7/3/70: 91 - 95
7/6 - 7/10/70: 96 - 100
7/13 - 7/17/70: 101 - 105
7/20 - 7/24/70: 106 - 110
7/27 - 7/31/70: 111 - 115
8/3 - 8/7/70: 116 - 120
8/10 - 8/14/70: 121 - 125
8/17 - 8/21/70: 126 - 130
8/24 - 8/28/70: 1001 - 1005
8/31 - 9/4/70: 1006 - 1010
9/7 - 9/11/70: 1011 - 1015
9/14 - 9/18/70: 1016 - 1020
9/21 - 9/25/70: 1021 - 1025
9/28 - 10/2/70: 1026 - 1030
10/5 - 10/9/70: 1031 - 1035
10/12 - 10/16/70: 1036 - 1040
10/19 - 10/23/70: 1041 - 1045
10/26 - 10/30/70: 1046 - 1050
11/2 - 11/6/70: 1051 - 1055
11/9 - 11/13/70: 1056 - 1060
11/16 - 11/20/70: 1061 - 1065
11/23 - 11/27/70: 1066 - 1070
11/30 - 12/4/70: 1071 - 1075
12/7 - 12/11/70: 1076 - 1080
12/14 - 12/18/70: 1081 - 1085
12/21 - 12/25/70: 1086 - 1090
12/28/70 - 1/1/71: 1091 - 1095
1/4 - 1/8/71: 1096 - 1100
1/11 - 1/15/71: 1101 - 1105
1/18 - 1/22/71: 1106 - 1110
1/25 - 1/29/71: 1111 - 1115
2/1 - 2/5/71: 1116 - 1120
2/8 - 2/12/71: 1121 - 1125 (This airing has multiple significances. It's an opera airing both on a holiday (Lincoln's Birthday, which was widely observed then), the Friday before a holiday (President's Day, the first year ever it was observed on the third Monday in February rather than Feb. 22 and called President's Day rather than Washington's Birthday), and the Friday before Valentine's Day, it's a romantic opera and one that deals with the color red!)
From this point until the end of the pre-79 era, the season premiere was always President's Day, which could easily have been intentional, so that kids could see major episodes like season premieres on a holiday.
2/15 - 2/19/71: 1131 - 1135
2/22 - 2/26/71: 1136 - 1140
3/1 - 3/5/71: 1141 - 1145
3/8 - 3/12/71: 1146 - 1150
3/15 - 3/19/71: 1151 - 1155
3/22 - 3/26/71: 1156 - 1160
3/29 - 4/2/71: 1161 - 1165
4/5 - 4/9/71: 1166 - 1170 (an opera airing not Easter Friday, but Holy Thursday (and one of the two Thursday operas). However, though Holy Week could be a standard spring break week, that could have been intentional for Reardon's birthday, as they could have easily thought that in 1977, the next time his birthday was a Friday, there wouldn't be any more new episodes).
4/12 - 4/16/71: 1171 - 1175
4/19 - 4/23/71: 1176 - 1180
4/26 - 4/30/71: 1181 - 1185
5/3 - 5/7/71: 1186 - 1190
5/10 - 5/14/71: 1191 - 1195

5/17 - 5/21/71: 1126 - 1130
Although unconfirmed, from this point until 2/13/76, 13-week seasons would air complete and uninterrupted. Since 1456 - 1460 and 1461 - 1465 are considered separate seasons, one could say that happened until Aug. 31, 1979, although the seasons weren't all 13 weeks.
5/24 - 5/28/71: 1001 - 1005
5/31 - 6/4/71: 1006 - 1010
6/7 - 6/11/71: 1011 - 1015
6/14 - 6/18/71: 1016 - 1020
6/21 - 6/25/71: 1021 - 1025
6/28 - 7/2/71: 1026 - 1030
7/5 - 7/9/71: 1031 - 1035
7/12 - 7/16/71: 1036 - 1040
7/19 - 7/23/71: 1041 - 1045
7/26 - 7/30/71: 1046 - 1050
8/2 - 8/6/71: 1051 - 1055
8/9 - 8/13/71: 1056 - 1060
8/16 - 8/20/71: 1061 - 1065
8/23 - 8/27/71: 1066 - 1070
8/30 - 9/3/71: 1071 - 1075
9/6 - 9/10/71: 1076 - 1080
9/13 - 9/17/71: 1081 - 1085
9/20 - 9/24/71: 1086 - 1090
9/27 - 10/1/71: 1091 - 1095
10/4 - 10/8/71: 1096 - 1100
10/11 - 10/15/71: 1101 - 1105
10/18 - 10/22/71: 1106 - 1110
10/25 - 10/29/71: 1111 - 1115 (Paley Center for Media has 1101 on 10/25, but I really think that's incorrect, as it doesn't fit with what the TV Guides and articles confirmed of the past 3 seasons in between season debuts)
11/1 - 11/5/71: 1116 - 1120
11/8 - 11/12/71: 1121 - 1125
11/15 - 11/19/71: 1126 - 1130
11/22 - 11/26/71: 1131 - 1135
11/29 - 12/3/71: 1136 - 1140
12/6 - 12/10/71: 1141 - 1145
12/13 - 12/17/71: 1146 - 1150
12/20 - 12/24/71: 1151 - 1155
12/27 - 12/31/71: 1156 - 1160
1/3 - 1/7/72: 1161 - 1165
1/10 - 1/14/72: 1166 - 1170
1/17 - 1/21/72: 1171 - 1175
1/24 - 1/28/72: 1176 - 1180
1/31 - 2/4/72: 1181 - 1185
2/7 - 2/11/72: 1186 - 1190
2/14 - 2/18/72: 1191 - 1195
2/21 - 2/25/72: 1196 - 1200
2/28 - 3/3/72: 1201 - 1205
3/6 - 3/10/72: 1206 - 1210
3/13 - 3/17/72: 1211 - 1215
3/20 - 3/24/72: 1216 - 1220
3/27 - 3/31/72: 1221 - 1225
4/3 - 4/7/72: 1226 - 1230
4/10 - 4/14/72: 1231 - 1235
4/17 - 4/21/72: 1236 - 1240
4/24 - 4/28/72: 1241 - 1245 (an opera but not debuting Easter Friday or during Passover)
5/1 - 5/5/72: 1246 - 1250
5/8 - 5/12/72: 1251 - 1255
5/15 - 5/19/72: 1256 - 1260

5/22 - 5/26/72: 1066 - 1070
5/29 - 6/2/72: 1071 - 1075
6/5 - 6/9/72: 1076 - 1080
6/12 - 6/16/72: 1081 - 1085
6/19 - 6/23/72: 1086 - 1090
6/26 - 6/30/72: 1091 - 1095
7/3 - 7/7/72: 1096 - 1100
7/10 - 7/14/72: 1101 - 1105
7/17 - 7/21/72: 1106 - 1110
7/24 - 7/28/72: 1111 - 1115
7/31 - 8/4/72: 1116 - 1120
8/7 - 8/11/72: 1121 - 1125
8/14 - 8/18/72: 1126 - 1130
8/21 - 8/25/72: 1131 - 1135
8/28 - 9/1/72: 1136 - 1140
9/4 - 9/8/72: 1141 - 1145
9/11 - 9/15/72: 1146 -1150
9/18 - 9/22/72: 1151 - 1155
9/25 - 9/29/72: 1156 - 1160
10/2 - 10/6/72: 1161 - 1165
10/9 - 10/13/72: 1166 - 1170
10/16 - 10/20/72: 1171 - 1175
10/23 - 10/27/72: 1176 - 1180
10/30 - 11/3/72: 1181 - 1185
11/6 - 11/10/72: 1186 - 1190
11/13 - 11/17/72: 1191 - 1195
11/20 - 11/24/72: 1196 - 1200
11/27 - 12/1/72: 1201 - 1205
12/4 - 12/8/72: 1206 - 1210
12/11 - 12/15/72: 1211 - 1215
12/18 - 12/22/72: 1216 - 1220
12/25 - 12/29/72: 1221 - 1225
1/1 - 1/5/73: 1226 - 1230
1/8 - 1/12/73: 1231 - 1235
1/15 - 1/19/73: 1236 - 1240
1/22 - 1/26/73: 1241 - 1245
1/29 - 2/2/73: 1246 - 1250
2/5 - 2/9/73: 1251 - 1255
2/12 - 2/16/73: 1256 - 1260
2/19 - 2/23/73: 1261 - 1265
2/26 - 3/2/73: 1266 - 1270
3/5 - 3/9/73: 1271 - 1275
3/12 - 3/16/73: 1276 - 1280
3/19 - 3/23/73: 1281 - 1285
3/26 - 3/30/73: 1286 - 1290
4/2 - 4/6/73: 1291 - 1295
4/9 - 4/13/73: 1296 - 1300 (an opera not Easter Friday or during Passover, but it was Friday the 13th, which they could have wanted because of King Friday. And that was the first Friday the 13th debut since 1970)
4/16 - 4/20/73: 1301 - 1305
4/23 - 4/27/73: 1306 - 1310 (the week on love, which would later become popular and have some of its episodes go to video, debuted Easter week, which I'm sure was intentional)
4/30 - 5/4/73: 1311 - 1315
5/7 - 5/11/73: 1316 - 1320
5/14 - 5/18/73: 1321 - 1325

5/21 - 5/25/73: 1131 - 1135
5/28 - 6/1/73: 1136 - 1140
6/4 - 6/8/73: 1141 - 1145
6/11 - 6/15/73: 1146 - 1150
6/18 - 6/22/73: 1151 - 1155
6/25 - 6/29/73: 1156 - 1160
7/2 - 7/6/73: 1161 - 1165
7/9 - 7/13/73: 1166 - 1170 (someone on the yahoo board found 1169 airing on 7/12 in an article, more strongly proving the theory that they aired the past three seasons in between season debuts)
7/16 - 7/20/73: 1171 - 1175
7/23 - 7/27/73: 1176 - 1180
7/30 - 8/3/73: 1181 - 1185
8/6 - 8/10/73: 1186 - 1190
8/13 - 8/17/73: 1191 - 1195
8/20 - 8/24/73: 1196 - 1200
8/27 - 8/31/73: 1201 - 1205
9/3 - 9/7/73: 1206 - 1210
9/10 - 9/14/73: 1211 - 1215
9/17 - 9/21/73: 1216 - 1220
9/24 - 9/28/73: 1221 - 1225
10/1 - 10/5/73: 1226 - 1230
10/8 - 10/12/73: 1231 - 1245
10/15 - 10/19/73: 1236 - 1240
10/22 - 10/26/73: 1241 - 1245
10/29 - 11/2/73: 1246 - 1250
11/5 - 11/9/73: 1251 - 1255
11/12 - 11/16/73: 1256 - 1260
11/19 - 11/23/73: 1261 - 1265
11/26 - 11/30/73: 1266 - 1270
12/3 - 12/7/73: 1271 - 1275
12/10 - 12/14/73: 1276 - 1280
12/17 - 12/21/73: 1281 - 1285
12/24 - 12/28/73: 1286 - 1290
12/31/73 - 1/4/74: 1291 - 1295
1/7 - 1/11/74: 1296 - 1300
1/14 - 1/18/74: 1301 - 1305
1/21 - 1/25/74: 1306 - 1310
1/28 - 2/1/74: 1311 - 1315
2/4 - 2/8/74: 1316 - 1320
2/11 - 2/15/74: 1321 - 1325
2/18 - 2/22/74: 1326 - 1330
2/25 - 3/1/74: 1331 - 1335
3/4 - 3/8/74: 1336 - 1340
3/11 - 3/15/74: 1341 - 1345
3/18 - 3/22/74: 1346 - 1350
3/25 - 3/29/74: 1351 - 1355
4/1 - 4/5/74: 1356 - 1360
4/8 - 4/12/74: 1361 - 1365
4/15 - 4/19/74: 1366 - 1370 (Easter Friday opera)
4/22 - 4/26/74: 1371 - 1375
4/29 - 5/3/74: 1376 - 1380
5/6 - 5/10/74: 1381 - 1385
5/13 - 5/17/74: 1386 - 1390

5/20 - 5/24/74: 1196 - 1200
5/27 - 5/31/74: 1201 - 1205
6/3 - 6/7/74: 1206 - 1210
6/10 - 6/14/74: 1211 - 1215
6/17 - 6/21/74: 1216 - 1220
6/24 - 6/28/74: 1221 - 1225
7/1 - 7/5/74: 1226 - 1230
7/8 - 7/12/74: 1231 - 1235
7/15 - 7/19/74: 1236 - 1240
7/22 - 7/26/74: 1241 - 1245
7/29 - 8/2/74: 1246 - 1250
8/5 - 8/9/74: 1251 - 1255
8/12 - 8/16/74: 1256 - 1260
8/19 - 8/23/74: 1261 - 1265
8/26 - 8/30/74: 1266 - 1270
9/2 - 9/6/74: 1271 - 1275
9/9 - 9/13/74: 1276 - 1280
9/16 - 9/20/74: 1281 - 1285
9/23 - 9/27/74: 1286 - 1290
9/30 - 10/4/74: 1291 - 1295
10/7 - 10/11/74: 1296 - 1300
10/14 - 10/18/74: 1301 - 1305
10/21 - 10/25/74: 1306 - 1310
10/28 - 11/1/74: 1311 - 1315
11/4 - 11/8/74: 1316 - 1320
11/11 - 11/15/74: 1321 - 1325
11/18 - 11/22/74: 1326 - 1330
11/25 - 11/29/74: 1331 - 1335
12/2 - 12/6/74: 1336 - 1340
12/9 - 12/13/74: 1341 - 1345
12/16 - 12/20/74: 1346 - 1350
12/23 - 12/27/74: 1351 - 1355
12/30/74 - 1/3/75: 1356 - 1360
1/6 - 1/10/75: 1361 - 1365
1/13 - 1/17/75: 1366 - 1370 (someone on the yahoo board found 1370 on 1/17
1/20 - 1/24/75: 1371 - 1375
1/27 - 1/31/75: 1376 - 1380
2/3 - 2/7/75: 1381 - 1385
2/10 - 2/14/75: 1386 - 1390
2/17 - 2/21/75: 1391 - 1395
2/24 - 2/28/75: 1396 - 1400
3/3 - 3/7/75: 1401 - 1405
3/10 - 3/14/75: 1406 - 1410
3/17 - 3/21/75: 1411 - 1415
3/24 - 3/28/75: 1416 - 1420
3/31 - 4/4/75: 1421 - 1425 (Easter Friday opera)
4/7 - 4/11/75: 1426 - 1430
4/14 - 4/18/75: 1431 - 1435
4/21 - 4/25/75: 1436 - 1440
4/28 - 5/2/75: 1441 - 1445
5/5 - 5/9/75: 1446 - 1450
5/12 - 5/16/75: 1451 - 1455

5/19 - 5/23/75: 1261 - 1265
5/26 - 5/30/75: 1266 - 1270
6/2 - 6/6/75: 1271 - 1275
6/9 - 6/13/75: 1276 - 1280
6/16 - 6/20/75: 1281 - 1285
6/23 - 6/27/75: 1286 - 1290
6/30 - 7/4/75: 1291 - 1295
7/7 - 7/11/75: 1296 - 1300
7/14 - 7/18/75: 1301 - 1305
7/21 - 7/25/75: 1306 - 1310
7/28 - 8/1/75: 1311 - 1315
8/4 - 8/8/75: 1316 - 1320
8/11 - 8/15/75: 1321 - 1325
8/18 - 8/22/75: 1326 - 1330
8/25 - 8/29/75: 1331 - 1335
9/1 - 9/5/75: 1336 - 1340
9/8 - 9/12/75: 1341 - 1345
9/15 - 9/19/75: 1346 - 1350
9/22 - 9/26/75: 1351 - 1355
9/29 - 10/3/75: 1356 - 1360
10/6 - 10/10/75: 1361 - 1365
10/13 - 10/17/75: 1366 - 1370
10/20 - 10/24/75: 1371 - 1375
10/27 - 10/31/75: 1376 - 1380
11/3 - 11/7/75: 1381 - 1385
11/10 - 11/14/75: 1386 - 1390
11/17 - 11/21/75: 1391 - 1395
11/24 - 11/28/75: 1396 - 1400
12/1 - 12/5/75: 1401 - 1405
12/8 - 12/12/75: 1406 - 1410
12/15 - 12/19/75: 1411 - 1415
12/22 - 12/26/75: 1416 - 1420
12/29/75 - 1/2/76: 1421 - 1425 (opera the day after New Year's and a day school was closed)
1/5 - 1/9/76: 1426 - 1430
1/12 - 1/16/76: 1431 - 1435
1/19 - 1/23/76: 1436 - 1440
1/26 - 1/30/76: 1441 - 1445
2/2 - 2/6/76: 1446 - 1450
2/9 - 2/13/76: 1451 - 1455 (This really seems definite since in 1451 - 1455 carries over to 1456 - 1460)
2/16 - 2/20/76: 1456 - 1460
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 28, 2012, 03:14:27 AM
Part 2: 2/23/76 - 8/24/79 The bulk (the long period of reruns):

We know this started with 1001, since 1456 - 1460 is designed to prepare kids for 1001 or 1066.
2/23 - 2/27/76: 1001  1005
3/1 - 3/1/76: 1006 - 1010
3/8 - 3/12/76: 1011 - 1015
3/15 - 3/19/76: 1016 - 1020
3/22 - 3/26/76: 1021 - 1025
3/29 - 4/2/76: 1026 - 1030
4/5 - 4/9/76: 1031 - 1035
4/12 - 4/16/76: 1036 - 1040
4/19 - 4/23/76: 1041 - 1045
4/26 - 4/30/76: 1046 - 1050
5/3 - 5/7/76: 1051 - 1055
5/10 - 5/14/76: 1056 - 1060
5/17 - 5/21/76: 1061 - 1065
5/24 - 5/28/76: 1066 - 1070
5/31 - 6/4/76: 1071 - 1075
6/7 - 6/11/76: 1076 - 1080
6/14 - 6/18/76: 1081 - 1085
6/21 - 6/25/76: 1086 - 1090
6/28 - 7/2/76: 1091 - 1095
7/5 - 7/9/76: 1096 - 1100
7/12 - 7/16/76: 1101 - 1105
7/19 - 7/23/76: 1106 - 1110
7/26 - 7/30/76: 1111 - 1115
8/2 - 8/6/76: 1116 - 1120
8/9 - 8/13/76: 1121 - 1125
8/16 - 8/20/76: 1126 - 1130
8/23 - 8/27/76: 1131 - 1135
8/30 - 9/3/76: 1136 - 1140
9/6 - 9/10/76: 1141 - 1145
9/13 - 9/17/76: 1146 - 1150
9/20 - 9/24/76: 1151 - 1155
9/27 - 10/1/76: 1156 - 1160
10/4 - 10/8/76: 1161 - 1165
10/11 - 10/15/76: 1166 - 1170
10/18 - 10/22/76: 1171 - 1175
10/25 - 10/29/76: 1176 - 1180
11/1 - 11/5/76: 1181 - 1185
11/8 - 11/12/76: 1186 - 1190
11/15 - 11/19/76: 1191 - 1195
11/22 - 11/26/76: 1196 - 1200
11/29 - 12/3/76: 1201 - 1205
12/6 - 12/10/76: 1206 - 1210
12/13 - 12/17/76: 1211 - 1215
12/20 - 12/24/76: 1216 - 1220
12/27 - 12/31/76: 1221 - 1225
1/3 - 1/7/77: 1226 - 1230
1/10 - 1/14/77: 1231 - 1235
1/17 - 1/21/77: 1236 - 1240
1/24 - 1/28/77: 1241 - 1245
1/31 - 2/4/77: 1246 - 1250
2/7 - 2/11/77: 1251 - 1255
2/14 - 2/18/77: 1256 - 1260
2/21 - 2/25/77: 1261 - 1265
2/28 - 3/4/77: 1266 - 1270
3/7 - 3/11/77: 1271 - 1275
3/14 - 3/18/77: 1276 - 1280
3/21 - 3/25/77: 1281 - 1285
3/28 - 4/1/77: 1286 - 1290
4/4 - 4/8/77: 1291 - 1295
4/11 - 4/15/77: 1296 - 1300 (opera on Easter Friday!)
4/18 - 4/22/77: 1301 - 1305
4/25 - 4/29/77: 1306 - 1310
5/2 - 5/6/77: 1311 - 1315
5/9 - 5/13/77: 1316 - 1320
5/16 - 5/20/77: 1321 - 1325
5/23 - 5/27/77: 1326 - 1330
5/30 - 6/3/77: 1331 - 1355
6/6 - 6/10/77: 1336 - 1340
6/13 - 6/17/77: 1341 - 1345
6/20 - 6/24/77: 1346 - 1350
6/27 - 7/1/77: 1351 - 1355
7/4 - 7/8/77: 1356 - 1360
7/11 - 7/15/77: 1361 - 1365
7/18 - 7/22/77: 1366 - 1370
7/25 - 7/29/77: 1371 - 1375
8/1 - 8/5/77: 1376 - 1380
8/8 - 8/12/77: 1381 - 1385
8/15 - 8/19/77: 1386 - 1390
8/22 - 8/26/77: 1391 - 1395
8/29 - 9/2/77: 1396 - 1400
9/5 - 9/9/77: 1401 - 1405
9/12 - 9/16/77: 1406 - 1410
9/19 - 9/23/77: 1411 - 1415
9/26 - 9/30/77: 1416 - 1420
10/3 - 10/7/77: 1421 - 1425 (opera the Friday before Columbus Day!)
10/10 - 10/14/77: 1426 - 1430
10/17 - 10/21/77: 1431 - 1435
10/24 - 10/28/77: 1436 - 1440
10/31 - 11/4/77: 1441 - 1445
11/7 - 11/11/77: 1446 - 1450
11/14 - 11/18/77: 1451 - 1455
11/21 - 11/25/77: 1456 - 1460
11/28 - 12/2/77: 1001 - 1005
12/5 - 12/9/77: 1006 - 1010
12/12 - 12/16/77: 1011 - 1015
12/19 - 12/23/77: 1016 - 1020
12/26 - 12/30/77: 1021 - 1025
1/2 - 1/6/78: 1026 - 1030
1/9 - 1/13/78: 1031 - 1035
1/16 - 1/20/78: 1036 - 1040 (we know this week was banned)
1/23 - 1/27/78: 1041 - 1045
1/30 - 2/3/78: 1046 - 1050
2/6 - 2/10/78: 1051 - 1055 (we know this week was banned)
2/13 - 2/17/78: 1056 - 1060 (we know this week was banned)
2/20 - 2/24/78: 1061 - 1065
2/27 - 3/3/78: 1066 - 1070
3/6 - 3/10/78: 1071 - 1075 (we know this week was banned)
3/13 - 3/17/78: 1076 - 1080
3/20 - 3/24/78: 1081 - 1085
3/27 - 3/31/78: 1086 - 1090
4/3 - 4/7/78: 1091 - 1095
4/10 - 4/14/78: 1096 - 1100
4/17 - 4/21/78: 1101 - 1105 (Someone on the yahoo board found there was a special about death the night before this airing, and he's almost positive it's 4/16)
4/24 - 4/28/78: 1106 - 1110
5/1 - 5/5/78: 1111 - 1115
5/8 - 5/12/78: 1116 - 1120 (a first time mom gives birth the Tuesday before Mother's Day!)
5/15 - 5/19/78: 1121 - 1125
5/22 - 5/26/78: 1126 - 1130
5/29 - 6/2/78: 1131 - 1135
6/5 - 6/9/78: 1136 - 1140
6/12 - 6/16/78: 1141 - 1145
6/19 - 6/23/78: 1146 - 1150
6/26 - 6/30/78: 1151 - 1155
7/3 - 7/7/78: 1156 - 1160
7/10 - 7/14/78: 1161 - 1165
7/17 - 7/21/78: 1166 - 1170
7/24 - 7/28/78: 1171 - 1175
7/31 - 8/4/78: 1176 - 1180
8/7 - 8/11/78: 1181 - 1185
8/14 - 8/18/78: 1186 - 1190
8/21 - 8/25/78: 1191 - 1195
8/28 - 9/1/78: 1196 - 1200
9/4 - 9/8/78: 1201 - 1205
9/11 - 9/15/78: 1206 - 1210
9/18 - 9/22/78: 1211 - 1215
9/25 - 9/29/78: 1216 - 1220
10/2 - 10/6/78: 1221 - 1225
10/9 - 10/13/78: 1226 - 1230
10/16 - 10/20/78: 1231 - 1235
10/23 - 10/27/78: 1236 - 1240
10/30 - 11/3/78: 1241 - 1245
11/6 - 11/10/78: 1246 - 1250
11/13 - 11/17/78: 1251 - 1255
11/20 - 11/24/78: 1256 - 1260
11/27 - 12/1/78: 1261 - 1265
12/4 - 12/8/78: 1266 - 1270
12/11 - 12/15/78: 1271 - 1275
12/18 - 12/22/78: 1276 - 1280
12/25 - 12/29/78: 1281 - 1285
1/1 - 1/5/79: 1286 - 1290
1/8 - 1/12/79: 1291 - 1295
1/15 - 1/19/79: 1296 - 1300
1/22 - 1/26/79: 1301 - 1305
1/29 - 2/2/79: 1306 - 1310
2/5 - 2/9/79: 1311 - 1315 (the week that the week on love carries over to the last full week before Valentine's Day)
2/12 - 2/16/79: 1316 - 1320
2/19 - 2/23/79: 1321 - 1325
2/26 - 3/2/79: 1326 - 1330
3/5 - 3/9/79: 1331 - 1335
3/12 - 3/16/79: 1336 - 1340
3/19 - 3/23/79: 1341 - 1345
3/26 - 3/30/79: 1346 - 1350
4/2 - 4/6/79: 1351 - 1355
4/9 - 4/13/79: 1356 - 1360
4/16 - 4/20/79: 1361 - 1365
4/23 - 4/27/79: 1366 - 1370
4/30 - 5/4/79: 1371 - 1375
5/7 - 5/11/79: 1376 - 1380
5/14 - 5/18/79: 1381 - 1385
5/21 - 5/25/79: 1386 - 1390
5/28 - 6/1/79: 1391 - 1395
6/4 - 6/8/79: 1396 - 1400
6/11 - 6/15/79: 1401 - 1405
6/18 - 6/22/79: 1406 - 1410
6/25 - 6/29/79: 1411 - 1415
7/2 - 7/6/79: 1416 - 1420
7/9 - 7/13/79: 1421 - 1425
7/16 - 7/20/79: 1426 - 1430
7/23 - 7/27/79: 1431 - 1435
7/30 - 8/3/79: 1436 - 1440
8/6 - 8/10/79: 1441 - 1445
8/13 - 8/17/79: 1446 - 1450
8/20 - 8/24/79: 1451 - 1455
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 28, 2012, 05:19:13 AM
Part 3: 8/27/79 - 8/31/84 (the post-75 era before the confirmed schedules from Hedda)

8/27 - 8/31/79: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School) As this week has to do with preparing kids for the start of the schoolyear, it's become an annual occasion week for this time of year. Amazingly, this is both the week to air the most times (30) and the only week ever to have all its episodes air in one month (August). But it would never air this late again.
9/3 - 9/7/79: 1456 - 1460 (though, as I mentioned for 2/9 - 2/13/76, 1451 - 1460 have to air back to back, I really do believe that this is when it aired, with 1451 - 1455 two weeks earlier).
9/10 - 9/14/79: 1001 - 1005
9/17 - 9/21/79: 1006 - 1010
9/24 - 9/28/79: 1011 - 1015
10/1 - 10/5/79: 1016 - 1020
10/8 - 10/12/79: 1021 - 1025
10/15 - 10/19/79: 1026 - 1030
10/22 - 10/26/79: 1031 - 1035
10/29 - 11/2/79: 1041 - 1045
11/5 - 11/9/79: 1046 - 1050
11/12 - 11/16/79: 1061 - 1065
11/19 - 11/23/79: 1066 - 1070 (someone on the yahoo board remembered the debut of the model pan, which was this week, on Thanksgiving week, so this could fit that person's memory)
11/26 - 11/30/79: 1076 - 1080
12/3 - 12/7/79: 1081 - 1085
12/10 - 12/14/79: 1086 - 1090
12/17 - 12/21/79: 1091 - 1095
12/24 - 12/28/79: 1096 - 1180
12/31/79 - 1/4/80: 1101 - 1105 (appropriately, the episode about death would air when kids don't have school, and a lot of people don't have work since some offices are closed the week b between Christmas and New Year's, and for those that don't, it'd mean a broken 4-day weekend otherwise)
1/7 - 1/11/80: 1106 - 1110
1/14 - 1/18/80: 1111 - 1115
1/21 - 1/25/80: 1116 - 1120
1/28 - 2/1/80: 1121 - 1125
2/4 - 2/8/80: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) And this date makes sense because 1076 - 1125 is one long story arc (Queen Sara's pregnancy and the births of Prince Tuesday and Ana Platypus, and so it makes sense to have the debut after the long story arc. And for this reason, the four banned weeks not airing in 1979 makes sense.
2/11 - 2/15/80: 1126 - 1130
2/18 - 2/22/80: 1131 - 1135
2/25 - 2/29/80: 1136 - 1140
3/3 - 3/7/80: 1141 - 1145
3/10 - 3/14/80: 1146 - 1150
3/17 - 3/21/80: 1151 - 1155
3/24 - 3/28/80: 1156 - 1160
3/31 - 4/4/80: 1161 - 1165
4/7 - 4/11/80: 1166 - 1170 (Easter Thursday opera!)
4/14 - 4/18/80: 1171 - 1175
4/21 - 4/25/80: 1176 - 1180
4/28 - 5/2/80: 1181 - 1185
5/5 - 5/9/80: 1186 - 1190
5/12 - 5/16/80: 1191 - 1195
5/19 - 5/23/80: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (Friday before a holiday, Memorial Day, so therefore probably intentional
5/26 - 5/30/80: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) This is the first of several post-75 runs airing in backwards order, and they're all part of the Mister Rogers Talks to Parents series, where they'd air that special Sunday night based on the theme of the week, and then the week itself. Starting School and Superheroes are two of those weeks, while Bubbleland is not. Such a post-75 run has been known as a MRN Summer. Some are confirmed by Hedda, I'll let you know as they debut what those weeks are. Also, apart from the opera the Friday before a holiday, this interruption could have been then since it's in between seasons
6/2 - 6/6/80: 1196 - 1200
6/9 - 6/13/80: 1201 - 1205
6/16 - 6/20/80: 1206 - 1210
6/23 - 6/27/80: 1211 - 1215
6/30 - 7/4/80: 1216 - 1220
7/7 - 7/11/80: 1221 - 1225
7/14 - 7/18/80: 1226 - 1230
7/21 - 7/25/80: 1231 - 1235
7/28 - 8/1/80: 1236 - 1240
Then an unconfirmed backwards MRN Summer, since Starting School is confirmed.
8/4 - 8/8/80: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland)
8/11 - 8/15/80: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
8/18 - 8/22/80: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/25 - 8/29/80: 1241 - 1245 (opera the Friday before a holiday!)
9/1 - 9/5/80: 1246 - 1250
9/8 - 9/12/80: 1251 - 1255
9/15 - 9/19/80: 1256 - 1260
9/22 - 9/26/80: 1261 - 1265
9/29 - 10/3/80: 1266 - 1270
10/6 - 10/10/80: 1271 - 1275
10/13 - 10/17/80: 1276 - 1280
10/20 - 10/24/80: 1281 - 1285
10/27 - 10/31/80: 1286 - 1290
11/3 - 11/7/80: 1291 - 1295
11/10 - 11/14/80: 1296 - 1300 (November operas later became common)
11/17 - 11/21/80: 1301 - 1305
11/24 - 11/28/80: 1306 - 1310 (Interesting that 1309, a very popular episode on video, aired Thanksgiving)
12/1 - 12/5/80: 1311 - 1315
12/8 - 12/12/80: 1316 - 1320
12/15 - 12/19/80: 1321 - 1325
12/22 - 12/26/80: 1326 - 1330
12/29/80 - 1/2/81: 1331 - 1335
1/5 - 1/9/81: 1336 - 1340
1/12 - 1/16/81: 1341 - 1345
1/19 - 1/23/81: 1346 - 1350
1/26 - 1/30/81: 1351 - 1355 (someone on the yahoo board found an article with 1354 on 1/29)
2/2 - 2/6/81: 1356 - 1360
2/9 - 2/13/81: 1361 - 1365
2/16 - 2/20/81: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (a Mister Rogers Talks to Parents week)
2/23 - 2/27/81: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (amazingly, an episode that has something to do with death exactly 22 years before Fred died!)
3/2 - 3/6/81: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
3/9 - 3/13/81: 1366 - 1370
3/16 - 3/20/81: 1371 - 1375
3/23 - 3/27/81: 1376 - 1380
3/30 - 4/3/81: 1381 - 1385
4/6 - 4/10/81: 1386 - 1390
4/13 - 4/17/81: 1391 - 1395
4/20 - 4/24/81: 1396 - 1400
4/27 - 5/1/81: 1401 - 1405
5/4 - 5/8/81: 1406 - 1410
5/11 - 5/15/81: 1411 - 1415
5/18 - 5/22/81: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
5/25 - 5/29/81: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
6/1 - 6/5/81: 1481 - 1485 (Competition) (a Mister Rogers Talks to Parents week) (This MRN Summer would feature only non-anual occasion Mister Rogers Talks to Parents weeks, and it would be forwards because a 1425/1426 interruption for a random post-75 run start date makes no sense at all)
6/8 - 6/12/81: 1416 - 1420
6/15 - 6/19/81: 1421 - 1425
6/22 - 6/26/81: 1426 - 1430
6/29 - 7/3/81: 1431 - 1435
7/6 - 7/10/81: 1436 - 1440
7/13 - 7/17/81: 1441 - 1445 (then there'd be a 1445/1446 interruption for a post-75 run, which makes sense that interruption seems to be common, even though 1450/1451 is perfectly okay (although I think, but I'm not sure, that in 1451, they talk about the birthday "last week" and 1455/1456 had been done before, and maybe they smartly realized that it doesn't work)
7/20 - 7/24/81: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
7/27 - 7/31/81: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
8/3 - 8/7/81: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
8/10 - 8/14/81: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
8/17 - 8/21/81: 1461 - 1470 (Starting School)

8/24 - 8/28/81: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (this was probably at the end because it isn't a Talks to Parents week)
8/31 - 9/4/81: 1446 - 1450
9/7 - 9/11/81: 1451 - 1455
9/14 - 9/18/81: 1456 - 1460
9/21 - 9/25/81: 1001 - 1005
9/28 - 10/2/81: 1006 - 1010
10/5 - 10/9/81: 1011 - 1015
10/12 - 10/16/81: 1016 - 1020
10/19 - 10/23/81: 1021 - 1025
10/26 - 10/30/81: 1026 - 1030
From what we know about the 1983 - 84 airing of the 1969 episodes, which I'll explain when I get there, and that 1001 - 1030 is one story arc about King Friday and Queen Sara's courtship, marriage, and honeymoon, we really think that the not banned 1031 - 1065 episodes last aired over the next four weeks.
11/2 - 11/6/81: 1031 - 1035
11/9 - 11/13/81: 1041 - 1045
11/16 - 11/20/81: 1046 - 1050
11/23 - 11/27/81: 1061 - 1065
11/30 - 12/4/81: 1066 - 1070
12/7 - 12/11/81: 1076 - 1080
12/14 - 12/18/81: 1081 - 1085
12/21 - 12/25/81: 1086 - 1090
12/28/81 - 1/1/82: 1091 - 1095
1/4 - 1/8/82: 1096 - 1100
1/11 - 1/15/82: 1101 - 1105
1/18 - 1/22/82: 1106 - 1110
1/25 - 1/29/82: 1111 - 1115
2/1 - 2/5/82: 1116 - 1120
2/8 - 2/12/82: 1121 - 1125
2/15 - 2/19/82: 1126 - 1130
2/22 - 2/26/82: 1131 - 1135
3/1 - 3/5/82: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline) (another Mister Rogers Talks to Parents week)
3/8 - 3/12/82: 1136 - 1140
3/15 - 3/19/82: 1141 - 1145
3/22 - 3/26/82: 1146 - 1150
3/29 - 4/2/82: 1151 - 1155
4/5 - 4/9/82: 1156 - 1160
4/12 - 4/16/82: 1161 - 1165
4/19 - 4/23/82: 1166 - 1170
4/26 - 4/30/82: 1171 - 1175
5/3 - 5/7/82: 1176 - 1180
5/10 - 5/14/82: 1181 - 1185
5/17 - 5/21/82:1186 - 1190
5/24 - 5/28/82:  1191 - 1195 (a yahoo member found an article from 5/20 with 1192 and 1193 airing "next week", and this means an interruption in between seasons, which makes sense)
5/31 - 6/4/82: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (a Mister Rogers Talks to Parents week)
6/7 - 6/11/82: 1196 - 1200
6/14 - 6/18/82: 1201 - 1205
6/21 - 6/25/82: 1206 - 1210
6/28 - 7/2/82: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (a Mister Rogers Talks to Parents week. And also another opera debuting the Friday before a holiday)
7/5 - 7/9/82: 1486 - 1490 (Play) (though Hedda gave me a draft of aschedule with a MRN Summer starting with Discipline, I also found out that because of 4th of July, A Capital Fourth aired, as it usually does, on 4th of July, so most likely a MRN Summer week didn't air.
7/12 - 7/16/82: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
Then, I'm thinking that the following weeks aired one week later than what Hedda has in her draft, since someone recently mentioned to me that Aug. 15 was a MRN Talks to Parents Week, while in Hedda's draft it was Bubbleland, and besides, it gets Starting School to air the exact same week as the both the previous and following two years
7/19 - 7/23/82: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
7/26 - 7/30/82: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
8/2 - 8/6/82: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
8/9 - 8/13/82: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
8/16 - 8/20/82:1461 - 1465 (Staring School)
8/23 - 8/27/82:  1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (Hedda's draft has Creativity reairing, which makes no sense

8/30 - 9/3/82: 1211 - 1215
9/6 - 9/10/82: 1216 - 1220
9/13 - 9/17/82: 1221 - 1225
9/20 - 9/24/82: 1226 - 1230
9/27 - 10/1/82: 1231 - 1235
10/4 - 10/8/82: 1236 - 1240
10/11 - 10/15/82: 1241 - 1245
10/18 - 10/22/82: 1246 - 1250
10/25 - 10/29/82: 1251 - 1255
11/1 - 11/5/82: 1256 - 1260
11/8 - 11/12/82: 1261 - 1265
11/15 - 11/19/82: 1506 - 1510 (Friends) (Why this didn't debut one week so it could debut appropriately Thanksgiving week makes no sense. On the Thursday episode, 1509, it's about loved ones coming together to the castle for a friendship picnic (similar to Thanksgiving dinner). They probably didn't like the idea of Thanksgiving debuts but changed their minds in 1984.
11/22 - 11/26/82: 1266 - 1270
11/29 - 12/3/82: 1271 - 1275
12/6 - 12/10/82: 1276 - 1280
12/13 - 12/17/82: 1281 - 1285
12/20 - 12/24/82: 1286 - 1290
12/27 - 12/31/82: 1291 - 1295
1/3 - 1/7/83: 1296 - 1300
1/10 - 1/14/83: 1301 - 1305
1/17 - 1/21/83: 1306 - 1310
1/24 - 1/28/83: 1311 - 1315
1/31 - 2/4/83: 1316 - 1320
2/7 - 2/11/83: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
2/14 - 2/18/83: 1321 - 1325
2/21 - 2/25/83: 1326 - 1330
2/28 - 3/4/83: 1331 - 1335
3/7 - 3/11/83: 1336 - 1340
3/14 - 3/18/83: 1341 - 1345
3/21 - 3/25/83: 1346 - 1350
3/28 - 4/1/83: 1351 - 1355
4/4 - 4/8/83: 1356 - 1360
4/11 - 4/15/83: 1361 - 1365
4/18 - 4/22/83: 1366 - 1370
4/25 - 4/29/83: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care) (the last Mister Rogers Talks to Parents Week)
5/2 - 5/6/83: 1371 - 1375
5/9 - 5/13/83: 1376 - 1380
5/16 - 5/20/83: 1381 - 1385
5/23 - 5/27/83: 1386 - 1390
5/30 - 6/3/83: 1391 - 1395
6/6 - 6/10/83: 1396 - 1400
6/13 - 6/17/83: 1401 - 1405
6/20 - 6/24/83: 1406 - 1410
6/27 - 7/1/83: 1411 - 1415
7/4 - 7/8/83: 1416 - 1420
7/11 - 7/15/83: 1421 - 1425
7/18 - 7/22/83: 1426 - 1430
7/25 - 7/29/83: 1431 - 1435
8/1 - 8/5/83: 1436 - 1440
8/8 - 8/8/83: 1441 - 1445
At this point, the first post-75 run that's not a MRN Summer would begin.
8/15 - 8/19/83: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/22 - 8/26/83: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland)
8/29 - 9/2/83: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
9/5 - 9/9/83: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
9/12 - 9/16/83: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
9/19 - 9/23/83: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
9/26 - 9/30/83: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
10/3 - 10/7/83: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care) (This week would be the only and last MRN Summer week)
Articles said the next weeks aired at some point in October, November, and December, but not exactly when, so they won't get italicized.
10/10 - 10/14/83: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (Ironically, if Daycare & Night Care had aired in its proper position, the opera would air the Friday before a holiday)
10/17 - 10/21/83: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
10/24 - 10/28/83: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) (At this point, Superheroes became an annual occasion week as italways aired at this time of year because it's appropriate for Halloween)
10/31 - 11/4/83: 1511 - 1515 (Games) (This gets italicized because the article says 1511 in October and 1512 - 1515 in November)
11/7 - 11/11/83: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) (As this is a week about war, this was probably intentional for Veterans' Day)
11/14 - 11/18/83: 1446 - 1450
11/21 - 11/25/83: 1451 - 1455
11/28 - 12/2/83: 1456 - 1460 (Again, the articles have 1456 - 1458 in November and 1459 and 1460 in Decemeber)
12/5 - 12/9/83: 1001 - 1005
12/12 - 12/16/83: 1006 - 1010
12/19 - 12/23/83: 1011 - 1015
12/26 - 12/30/83: 1016 - 1020
At this point, the articles stop. However, as I said for 1981, the reason why I'm guessing 1021 - 1030 in the next two weeks are the last 1969 episodes is because we know 1066 - 1070 and 1076 - 1220 (1221 is the first day of Hedda's confirmed schedule) aired after 1984, and the schedule fits completely with those weeks airing between then and the beginning of Hedda's confirmed schedule
1/2 - 1/6/84: 1021 - 1025
1/9 - 1/13/84: 1026 - 1030
1/16 - 1/20/84: 1066 - 1070
1/23 - 1/27/84: 1076 - 1080
1/30 - 2/3/84: 1081 - 1085
2/6 - 2/10/84: 1086 - 1090
2/13 - 2/17/84: 1091 - 1095
2/20 - 2/24/84: 1096 - 1100
2/27 - 3/2/84: 1101 - 1105 (Amazingly, the death of a goldfish episode would air on the day Fred then died 19 years later!)
3/5 - 3/9/84: 1106 - 1110
3/12 - 3/16/84: 1111 - 1115
3/19 - 3/23/84: 1116 - 1120 (Amazingly, there'd be a birth on Fred's birthday!!!!!!)
3/26 - 3/30/84: 1121 - 1125
4/2 - 4/6/84: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (the reason for this debut then rather than the usual February/March is to avoid the 1076 - 1125 interruption
4/9 - 4/13/84: 1126 - 1130
4/16 - 4/20/84: 1131 - 1135
4/23 - 4/27/84: 1136 - 1140
4/30 - 5/4/84: 1166 - 1170 (the reason for this is because of the debut May 7 - 11, and 1141 - 1165 can't be interrupted because of the platypuses' trip to Australia, and some of the platypuses appear in that debut week. I don't though understand why the debut had to be that week. My guess, even though they hadn't had it before, is so that they could have the debut in May, since they had that for the next 5 years after that. Also, ironically, this interruption means two operas in a row, which interestingly enough they had for the next (and last) two opera debuts, both in May)
5/7 - 5/11/84: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (The debut then would also mean the opera the Friday before a semi-holiday, Mother's Day)
5/14 - 5/18/84: 1141 - 1145
5/21 - 5/25/84: 1146 - 1150
5/28 - 6/1/84: 1151 - 1155
6/4 - 6/11/84: 1156 - 1160
6/11 - 6/15/84: 1161 - 1165
6/18 - 6/22/84: 1171 - 1175
6/25 - 6/29/84: 1176 - 1180
7/2 - 7/6/84: 1181 - 1185
7/9 - 7/13/84: 1186 - 1190
7/16 - 7/20/84: 1191 - 1195
7/23 - 7/27/84: 1196 - 1200
7/30 - 8/3/84: 1201 - 1205
8/6 - 8/10/84: 1206 - 1210
8/13 - 8/17/84: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/20 - 8/24/84: 1211 - 1215
8/27 - 8/31/84: 1216 - 1220
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 28, 2012, 05:19:49 AM
I'm breaking now to go to bed. I'll resume tomorrow or at a later date.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mjb1124 on May 28, 2012, 10:56:17 AM
Thanks for posting all this - very interesting.    I know this isn't "official" but it does seem like you have a good amount of evidence to back up your theories.   I'm surprised that they would have aired B&W episodes in regular rotation after 1001 debuted, but I guess TV Guide doesn't lie.

By the way, assuming this is accurate, it seems that before 1976, the last episode time an episode from the NET building/yellow walls/wainscotting era aired was on 8/18/72.   That was still a gap of about three and a half years, so I can definitely see why making 1456-1460 was necessary.    Also, assuming it wasn't actually used in 1336, the last previous time that an episode with the "Tomorrow" song aired was 7/25/74, about a year and a half before.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 28, 2012, 01:48:00 PM
TI'm surprised that they would have aired B&W episodes in regular rotation after 1001 debuted, but I guess TV Guide doesn't lie.

I don't see any harm in airing B&Ws after 1001, as long as it's not too many color episodes, just like they aired 1001 after 1525, and 1066 after 1610.

Also, assuming it wasn't actually used in 1336, the last previous time that an episode with the "Tomorrow" song aired was 7/25/74, about a year and a half before.

Actually, it was in 1459, most likely to prepare kids for 1001 or 1066, so that doesn't matter so much. Now I'll proceed with the rest of the schedule, starting with what Hedda confirmed
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mjb1124 on May 28, 2012, 01:54:15 PM
Actually, it was in 1459, most likely to prepare kids for 1001 or 1066, so that doesn't matter so much. Now I'll proceed with the rest of the schedule, starting with what Hedda confirmed

Yeah, I knew that.   I was just saying I understood why Mister Rogers would need to prepare viewers for hearing that song.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 28, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
Part 4: 9/3/84 - 9/1/89 (the first of the confirmed schedules from Hedda)

9/3 - 9/7/84: 1221 - 1225
9/10 - 9/14/84: 1226 - 1230
9/17 - 9/21/84: 1231 - 1235
9/24 - 9/28/84: 1236 - 1240
10/1 - 10/5/84: 1241 - 1245
10/8 - 10/12/84: 1251 - 1255 (this is to avoid the post-75 run breaking the carryover of 1255/1256, even though this is the first time ever of a tradition of the post-75 run starting with 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) at its annual occasion time and the earliest week that isn't an annual occasion week for a whole other time of year. However, interestingly enough, airing Superheroes one week later would make sense.
10/15 - 10/19/84: 1256 - 1260
10/22 - 10/26/84: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) (As I said, one week later does make more sense, since most of it would air on or before Halloween, and other annual occasion weeks for holidays when on Wednesday have had the Thursday and Friday episodes air after the holiday.
10/29 - 11/2/84: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland)
11/5 - 11/9/84: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
11/12 - 11/16/84: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
11/19 - 11/23/84: 1536 - 1540 (Food) (Starting the tradition of Thanksgiving week debuts, and interestingly enough after that tradition came the tradition of this week being the annual occasion week for Thanksgiving)
11/26 - 11/30/84: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
12/3 - 12/7/84: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
12/10 - 12/14/84: 1506 - 1510 (Friends) (why this week, I'll explain my theory when I explain when the weeks before aired, and this I believe is the proper position week
12/17 - 12/21/84: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (this could be considered an annual occasion week for Christmas, and they wanted to air it as close to Christmas as possible with all episodes airing before Christmas, since 1496 is about gifts)
12/24 - 12/28/84: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (Christmas/New Year's opera. And interestingly enough they'd have an opera at that time of year until 1994)
12/31/84 - 1/4/85: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care) (this became the New Year's annual occasion week, later replaced with 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work), also about daycare, though what daycare has to do with New Year's is a mystery
1/7 - 1/11/85: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
1/14 - 1/18/85: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict)
1/21 - 1/25/85: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
1/28 - 2/1/85: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (Yes, it's an opera, but not the Friday before any holiday, except Groundhog Day which isn't as big a holiday like other holidays for which this tradition has been followed)
2/4 - 2/8/85: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes) (The debut here and not the following week makes it even more ironic that the post-75 run didn't start one week later, since it deals with a wedding and the majority of the week would appropriately air on or before Valentine's Day. But interestingly enough the wedding itself would air after, since that's 1545
2/11 - 2/15/85: 1246 - 1250
2/18 - 2/22/85: 1261 - 1265
2/25 - 3/1/85: 1266 - 1270
3/4 - 3/8/85: 1271 - 1275
3/11 - 3/15/85: 1276 - 1280
3/18 - 3/22/85: 1281 - 1285
3/25 - 3/29/85: 1286 - 1290
4/1 - 4/5/85: 1291 - 1295
4/8 - 4/12/85: 1296 - 1300 (Easter Friday opera!)
4/15 - 4/19/85: 1301 - 1305
4/22 - 4/26/85: 1306 - 1310
4/29 - 5/3/85: 1311 - 1315
5/6 - 5/10/85: 1316 - 1320
5/13 - 5/17/85: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
5/20 - 5/24/85: 1321 - 1325
5/27 - 5/31/85: 1326 - 1330
6/3 - 6/7/85: 1331 - 1335
6/10 - 6/14/85: 1336 - 1340
6/17 - 6/21/85: 1341 - 1345
6/24 - 6/28/85: 1346 - 1350
7/1 - 7/5/85: 1351 - 1355
7/8 - 7/12/85: 1356 - 1360
7/15 - 7/19/85: 1361 - 1365
7/22 - 7/26/85: 1366 - 1370
7/29 - 8/2/85: 1376 - 1380 (Starting School at its annual occasion time would interrupt between 1385 and 1386, which is wrong, even though they avoided that interruption for random airings much later)
8/5 - 8/9/85: 1381 - 1385
8/12 - 8/16/85: 1386 - 1390
8/19 - 8/23/85: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/26 - 8/30/85: 1371 - 1375
Now comes one of the biggest mysteries of the schedule, as rather than air 1391 on 9/2, they aired 1376 again after, yes, an only 5-week interval!
9/2 - 9/6/85: 1376 - 1380
9/9 - 9/13/85: 1381 - 1385
9/16 - 9/20/85: 1386 - 1390
9/23 - 9/27/85: 1391 - 1395
9/30 - 10/4/85: 1396 - 1400
10/7 - 10/11/85: 1401 - 1405
10/14 - 10/18/85: 1406 - 1410
10/21 - 10/25/85: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) (even crazier than the year before, since more of it would air on or before Halloween if one week later)
10/28 - 11/1/85: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes) (it was basically switched with 1476 - 1480 (Divorce), as seen in February, for reasons unknown. Maybe it has to do with the fact that 1480 deals with travel, and it aired President's Week when a lot of kids are on vacation, and interestingly enough also that's the week it debuted in 1981. Although that was the last time it aired President's Week. And even without the switch, Divorce would air one week early.
11/4 - 11/8/85: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland)
11/11 - 11/15/85: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
11/18 - 11/22/85: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
11/25 - 11/29/85: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
12/2 - 12/6/85: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
12/9 - 12/13/85: 1506 - 1510 (Friends) (For this, same explanation as 1984)
12/16 - 12/20/85: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (For this, same explanation as 1984)
12/23 - 12/27/85: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (For this, same explanation as 1984)
12/30/85 - 1/3/86: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
1/6 - 1/10/86: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care) (interestingly enough, both at its annual occasion time and in its proper position!)
1/13 - 1/17/86: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (therefore, switched with 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) for reasons unknown
1/20 - 1/24/86: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (again, though an opera, this isn't the Friday before any holiday, even as minor as Groundhog Day, so this week is a real mystery even though interestingly enough it is the Friday after a holiday)
1/27 - 1/31/86: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict)
2/3 - 2/7/86: 1551 - 1555 (Making & Creating)
2/10 - 2/14/86: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
2/17 - 2/21/86: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (So this is the February week, President's Week, that it would air)
2/24 - 2/28/86: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
3/3 - 3/7/86: 1411 - 1415
3/10 - 3/14/86: 1416 - 1420
3/17 - 3/21/86: 1421 - 1425
3/24 - 3/28/86: 1426 - 1430
3/31 - 4/4/86: 1431 - 1435
4/7 - 4/11/86: 1436 - 1440
4/14 - 4/18/86: 1441 - 1445
Then comes two other mysterious weeks of airings, and the only known time a pre-79 is airing that's nowhere near proper position pre-79 airings. And it leads to two operas in a row
4/21 - 4/25/86: 1286 - 1290
4/28 - 5/2/86: 1296 - 1300 (an opera, but not the Friday before any holiday. However, with Passover 4/24 - 5/1, the opera would air on the last weekday of a lot of spring breaks)
5/5 - 5/9/86: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations) (this opera would once again be the Friday before Mother's Day)
5/12 - 5/16/86: 1446 - 1450
5/19 - 5/23/86: 1451 - 1455
5/26 - 5/30/86: 1456 - 1460
6/2 - 6/6/86: 1066 - 1070
6/9 - 6/13/86: 1076 - 1080
6/16 - 6/20/86: 1081 - 1085
6/23 - 6/27/86: 1086 - 1090
6/30 - 7/4/86: 1091 - 1095
7/7 - 7/11/86: 1096 - 1100
7/14 - 7/18/86: 1101 - 1105
7/21 - 7/25/86: 1106 - 1110
7/28 - 8/1/86: 1111 - 1115
8/4 - 8/8/86: 1116 - 1120
8/11 - 8/15/86: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School) (I don't understand why this week, when it never aired this early before, and 1120/1121 isn't a great interruption at all
8/18 - 8/22/86: 1121 - 1125
8/25 - 8/29/86: 1126 - 1130
9/1 - 9/5/86: 1131 - 1135
9/8 - 9/12/86: 1136 - 1140
9/15 - 9/19/86: 1141 - 1145
9/22 - 9/26/86: 1146 - 1150
9/29 - 10/3/86: 1151 - 1155
10/6 - 10/10/86: 1156 - 1160
10/13 - 10/17/86: 1161 - 1165
10/20 - 10/24/86: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) (This is really crazier than the two years before, since one week later none of it would air after Halloween!)
10/27 - 10/31/86: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland)
11/3 - 11/7/86: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
11/10 - 11/14/86: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
11/17 - 11/21/86: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
11/24 - 11/28/86: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
12/1 - 12/5/86: 1491 - 1495 (Play)
12/8 - 12/12/86: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (So therefore here it's in its proper position, so maybe they felt like if it could air at any point near Christmas, even if not as close as possible)
12/15 - 12/19/86: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (So therefore, the Christmas/New Year's opera in its proper position)
12/22 - 12/26/86: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
12/29/86 - 1/2/87: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
1/5 - 1/9/87: 1516 - 1520 (Again at its annual occasion time in its proper position)
1/12 - 1/16/87: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
1/19 - 1/23/87: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) (Why these two were switched is a mystery)
1/26 - 1/30/87: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents)
2/2 - 2/6/87: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
2/9 - 2/13/87: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes) (so interestingly enough, just like for the debut in 1985 but in its proper position, the wedding is the Friday (and in this case, episode) before Valentine's Day)
2/16 - 2/20/87: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
2/23 - 2/27/87: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
3/2 - 3/6/87: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations)
3/9 - 3/13/87: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
3/16 - 3/20/87: 1561 - 1565 (Making & Creating) (Why these last two non-debuts were switched is a mystery, especially since March 6 isn't the Friday before any holiday. It is the Friday after Ash Wednesday, but I don't see how that's significant.
3/23 - 3/27/87: 1166 - 1170 (Maybe those last two post-75 non-debuts could be to avoid two operas in a row, especially less than a week apart with the later one on Thursday
3/30 - 4/3/87: 1171 - 1175
4/6 - 4/10/87: 1176 - 1180
4/13 - 4/17/87: 1181 - 1185
4/20 - 4/24/87: 1186 - 1190
4/27 - 5/1/87: 1191 - 1195
5/4 - 5/8/87: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes) (interruption in between seasons, which makes sense)
5/11 - 5/15/87: 1196 - 1200
5/18 - 5/22/87: 1201 - 1205
5/25 - 5/29/87: 1206 - 1210
6/1 - 6/5/87: 1211 - 1215
6/8 - 6/12/87: 1216 - 1220
6/15 - 6/19/87: 1221 - 1225
6/22 - 6/26/87: 1226 - 1230
6/29 - 7/3/87: 1231 - 1235
7/6 - 7/10/87: 1236 - 1240
7/13 - 7/17/87: 1241 - 1245
7/20 - 7/24/87: 1246 - 1250
7/27 - 7/31/87: 1251 - 1255
8/3 - 8/7/87: 1256 - 1260
8/10 - 8/14/87: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School) (another in between season interruption)
8/17 - 8/21/87: 1261 - 1265
8/24 - 8/28/87: 1266 - 1270
8/31 - 9/4/87: 1271 - 1275
9/7 - 9/11/87: 1276 - 1280
9/14 - 9/18/87: 1281 - 1285
9/21 - 9/25/87: 1286 - 1290

Even though it's a whole 8 years before pre-79s stopped airing entirely, last airings start here, because at the time of the next cycle in 1992, they realized they couldn't air beige walled episodes anymore, since in 1326 - 1327, they're painted blue and are for the rest of the series. Though the one mystery is why, when 1326 - 1335 is a story arc, and not 1326 - 1350, why they went from 1290 to 1351, not 1336.
9/28 - 10/2/87: 1296 - 1300 (This is to avoid the post-75 run interrupting between 1310 and 1311, which can't be. Though why, when the story arc is 1301 - 1315, not 1296 - 1315, why 1291 - 1295 was the week that was moved and not this week, is a mystery. Maybe in 1301 - 1305, they talk about the opera as being "last week." Also this means this opera would air in the fall, which is appropriate since it's about potato bugs, and it's airing the Friday before (and day of, starting at sundown) a Jewish holiday, Yom Kippur
10/5 - 10/9/87: 1301 - 1305
10/12 - 10/16/87: 1306 - 1310
10/19 - 10/23/87: 1311 - 1315
10/26 - 10/30/87: 1461 - 1465 (Superheroes)
11/2 - 11/6/87: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (Why Windstorm in Bubbleland was moved is a mystery. Maybe since it aired the weekend before Thanksgiving, they wanted the opera to air as close to Thanksgiving as possible, even though that didn't happen in all years, although Windstorm in Bubbleland and Creativity have often moved to November in later years)
11/9 - 11/13/87: 1481 - 1485 (Competiton)
11/16 - 11/20/87: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (as I said, week before Thanksgiving)
11/23 - 11/27/87: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
11/30 - 12/4/87: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
12/7 - 12/11/87: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
12/14 - 12/18/87: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
12/21 - 12/25/87: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (Therefore, the Christmas/New Year's opera amazingly on Christmas Day!)
12/28/87 - 1/1/88: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
1/4 - 1/8/88: 1511 - 1515 (Games) (Yes, no Daycare & Night Care at its annual occasion time, but only that year because the week that did air was a PBS sweepstakes in which each show must have at least one episode about daycare)
1/11 - 1/15/88: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict)
1/18 - 1/22/88: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
1/25 - 1/29/88: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents)
2/1 - 2/5/88: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
2/8 - 2/12/88: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes) (again the wedding the Friday and episode before Valentine's Day)
2/15 - 2/19/88: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
2/22 - 2/26/88: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
2/29 - 3/4/88: 1556 - 1560 (Celebrations
3/7 - 3/11/88: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
3/14 - 3/18/88: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings) (why Celebrations was moved I'll explain when we get to when it aired)
3/21 - 3/25/88: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
3/28 - 4/1/88: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
4/4 - 4/8/88: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations) (the explanation could have to do with two things. It's an opera airing Easter Friday and Reardon's birthday!)
4/11 - 4/15/88: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care) (of course this was the week of the sweepstakes)
4/18 - 4/22/88: 1291 - 1295
4/25 - 4/2988: 1316 - 1320
5/2 - 5/6/88: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness) (yes, only a two-week interval of pre-79s, and it makes no sense when the following week would mean an interruption in between seasons. But they could have felt like 1325/1326 isn't the best place, since it'd mean only one beige walled episode in between blue walled episodes, which could be confusing
5/9 - 5/13/88: 1321 - 1325
5/16 - 5/20/88: 1326 - 1330
5/23 - 5/27/88: 1331 - 1335
5/30 - 6/3/88: 1336 - 1340
6/6 - 6/10/88: 1341 - 1345
6/13 - 6/17/88: 1346 - 1350
6/20 - 6/24/88: 1351 - 1355
6/27 - 7/1/88: 1356 - 1360
7/4 - 7/8/88: 1361 - 1365
7/11 - 7/15/88: 1366 - 1370
7/18 - 7/22/88: 1371 - 1375
7/25 - 7/29/88: 1376 - 1380
8/1 - 8/5/88: 1381 - 1385
8/8 - 8/12/88: 1386 - 1390
8/15 - 8/19/88: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School) (in between season interruption)
8/22 - 8/26/88: 1391 - 1395
8/29 - 9/2/88: 1396 - 1400 (one of four weeks to last air at this time for mysterious reasons, probably to phase out pre-79s
9/5 - 9/9/88: 1401 - 1405
9/12 - 9/16/88: 1406 - 1410
9/19 - 9/23/88: 1411 - 1415
9/26 - 9/30/88: 1416 - 1420 (two more weeks to last air at this time for mysterious reasons, probably to phase out pre-79s)
10/3 - 10/7/88: 1436 - 1440 (the whole 1421 - 1435 story arc moved to avoid a 1430/1431 interruption  for the post-75 run. But the reason why the post-75 run started when it did is a mystery, especially since 1435/1436 would mean starting with Superheroes at its annual occasion time, as in the last four years)
10/10 - 10/14/88: 1441 - 1445 (the last of the mysterious four weeks to last air, probably to phase out pre-79s)
10/17 - 10/21/88: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (so therefore, that's why if this was 1431 - 1435 and the last two weeks, 1421 - 1430, in their proper positions, it'd mean no breaking of carryovers and a standard post-75 run start date)
10/24 - 10/28/88: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
10/31 - 11/4/88: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
11/7 - 11/11/88: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
11/14 - 11/18/88: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
11/21 - 11/25/88: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets)
11/28 - 12/2/88: 1496 - 1500 (Discipline
12/5 - 12/9/88: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) (why this week is a mystery)
12/12 - 12/16/88: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (why Pets is moved is a mystery, especially since it would air at Christmas, and this is the earliest Christmas/New Year's opera. But I'll explain a theory when I get to when it aired
12/19 - 12/23/88: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
12/26 - 12/30/88: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (That explanation could maybe be because Ana's birthday episode, 1500, would air on Betty Aberlin's birthday)
1/2 - 1/6/89: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/9 - 1/13/89: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
1/16 - 1/20/89: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
1/23 - 1/27/89: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes) (why this week is a mystery)
1/30 - 2/3/89: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents)
2/6 - 2/10/89: 1551 - 1555 (Families) (why this week is a mystery, although airing it close to No & Yes makes sense because that's when Betty Okonak Templeton and James Michael Jones marry, and Families is when they adopt their baby Carrie Dell)
2/13 - 2/17/89: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
2/20 - 2/24/89: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)
2/27 - 3/3/89: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime) (why this week is a mystery)
3/6 - 3/10/89: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
3/13 - 3/17/89: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
3/20 - 3/24/89: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations) (Good Friday opera!)
3/27 - 3/31/89: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
4/3 - 4/7/89: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
4/10 - 4/14/89: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
4/17 - 4/21/89: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
4/24 - 4/28/89: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
5/1 - 5/5/89: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe (this makes it even more mysterious that the post-75 run didn't start with the usual Superheroes since the opera would air the Friday before Mother's Day. However, it's the other case of operas two weeks in a row with an opera the following week.
5/8 - 5/12/89: 1421 - 1425
5/15 - 5/19/89: 1426 - 1430
5/22 - 5/26/89: 1431 - 1435
5/29 - 6/2/89: 1446 - 1450
6/5 - 6/9/89: 1451 - 1455
6/12 - 6/16/89: 1456 -1460
6/19 - 6/23/89: 1066 - 1070
6/26 - 6/30/89: 1076 - 1080
7/3 - 7/7/89: 1081 - 1085
7/10 - 7/14/89: 1086 - 1090
7/17 - 7/21/89: 1091 - 1095
7/24 - 7/28/89: 1096 - 1100
7/31 - 8/4/89: 1101 - 1105
8/7 - 8/11/89: 1106 - 1110
8/14 - 8/18/89: 1111 - 1115 (so therefore, Starting School was skipped, and that was the only time before there were 52 weeks of post-75s to have a skipped week. Though the reason is that 1076 - 1125 is a hard place to interrupt, and it'd be hard to finagle the schedule to avoid such an interruption
8/21 - 8/25/89: 1116 - 1120
8/28 - 9/1/89: 1121 - 1125 (opera the Friday before a holiday!)

Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: bka on May 28, 2012, 09:49:35 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 28, 2012, 09:50:44 PM
4/15 - 4/19/68: 41 - 45 (This might have been intentional, because this was an opera airing Easter Friday, the Friday after Easter, when there were a lot of opera debuts and operas not airing in their proper positions, probably because they felt like they thought operas were major and therefore wanted to air when kids were out of school, and maybe the week after Easter was a common spring break time

I think the only confirmed reruns of operas airing not in their proper position on Easter Friday were in 1988 and 1991.  In 1988, that day was also Reardon's birthday (sadly, his last birthday), and in 1991, it was the Friday before his birthday, so it's not clear whether it was done due to Reardon's birthday or due to Easter Friday in those years.

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2/3 - 2/7/69: 121 - 125
(We know that the 1969 season premiered on 2/10, therefore there was one week that didn't rerun (at least when the others had their second airing)

I have often speculated that 1-5 was the week that didn't rerun, because it was intended to prepare kids who watched the EEN episodes for national MRN, which would be moot during reairings of this season.

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5/12 - 5/16/69: 121 - 125 (yes, a third airing of that week before the second of 126 - 130, but I'll explain the theory of that later)
5/19 - 5/23/69: 126 - 130
Starting on May 26, my guess is that the last airings started, and they reran the past three seasons in between season debuts, and I'll explain that theory after certain in between season airings. Also of note, though 1 - 130 debuted uninterrupted, 1 - 65 and 66 - 130 are considered two different seasons.

I've never heard that 1-65 and 66-130 are considered 2 different seasons.  I know it was speculated that 66 was when the new set debuted.  But Tim said that the new set debuted gradually, and by Episode 21, the set was entirely the new set.

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6/30 - 7/4/69: 26 - 30 (I saw the episode descriptions for this week in an old TV Guide, and they matched the University of Pittsburgh Files that I got of recaps of each episode, and that's what led me to believe both that 121 - 125 had to have aired three times before 126 - 130 twice, and that they started with episode 1 on May 26).

First of all, especially back then, I'm not sure that all stations followed a national schedule.  Secondly, that could have been a timeslot that aired the previous week's episode.

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10/20 - 10/24/69: 106 - 110 (another TV Guide I found)

Same comment as above.

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10/27 - 10/31/69: 111 - 115 (As it happens, 115 is appropriate for Halloween!)

How is 115 appropriate for Halloween?  If anything, 116-120 is more appropriate for Halloween.  The description for 115 says:

Mr. Rogers plays in a sand box on his porch. He tries on an Arab robe and pretends to ride a stuffed camel. Betty Aberlin borrows some sand for Lady Elaine's sandbox.
In the NOM, Donkey Hodie is bothered by the sand blowing from Lady Elaine's sandbox. Mr. McFeely brings water to make the sand wet so it won't blow.



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Like in 1969, I'm guessing they interrupted the previous season's second run for the following season debut, hence the following three weeks.
5/4 - 5/8/70: 1051 - 1055
5/11 - 5/15/70: 1056 - 1060
5/18 - 5/22/70: 1061 - 1065
5/25 - 5/29/70: 66 - 70

Again, starting with 66 is just completely random.

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2/8 - 2/12/71: 1121 - 1125 (This airing has multiple significances. It's an opera airing both on a holiday (Lincoln's Birthday, which was widely observed then), the Friday before a holiday (President's Day, the first year ever it was observed on the third Monday in February rather than Feb. 22 and called President's Day rather than Washington's Birthday), and the Friday before Valentine's Day, it's a romantic opera and one that deals with the color red!)

From the point of view of my personal life, it would be interesting if that date is correct.  I proposed to my wife exactly 39 years later, on Feb. 12, 2010.  And we went to Hawaii for our honeymoon!  (Episode 1125 is an opera that takes place in Hawaii).  Also, my wife has a resemblance to Betty Aberlin, who played a major role in that opera!  Also, coincidentally, our engagement party was on April 24, 2010; the 40th anniversary of the first airing of 1125!

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4/5 - 4/9/71: 1166 - 1170 (an opera airing not Easter Friday, but Holy Thursday (and one of the two Thursday operas). However, though Holy Week could be a standard spring break week, that could have been intentional for Reardon's birthday, as they could have easily thought that in 1977, the next time his birthday was a Friday, there wouldn't be any more new episodes).

In that interview that was posted, Betty Aberlin said that they aired some operas on Thursdays so that Jewish kids would be able to watch them if they aired after sundown.  However, this was one of only 2 (and the last) operas that aired on a Thursday.  Maybe they tried Thursday operas, and decided against them in the future.

Reardon's birthday is the most likely scenario.  I don't know about 1977 or 1983, but an opera did air on his birthday in 1988.

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4/23 - 4/27/73: 1306 - 1310 (the week on love, which would later become popular and have some of its episodes go to video, debuted Easter week, which I'm sure was intentional)

Wouldn't Valentines Day have made more sense?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 28, 2012, 10:04:53 PM
1/16 - 1/20/78: 1036 - 1040 (we know this week was banned)
1/23 - 1/27/78: 1041 - 1045
1/30 - 2/3/78: 1046 - 1050
2/6 - 2/10/78: 1051 - 1055 (we know this week was banned)
2/13 - 2/17/78: 1056 - 1060 (we know this week was banned)
2/20 - 2/24/78: 1061 - 1065
2/27 - 3/3/78: 1066 - 1070
3/6 - 3/10/78: 1071 - 1075 (we know this week was banned)

But we don't know when they were banned.  Remember, a member of the Yahoo board has a friend who remembered seeing at least some of these weeks in 1981.

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3/13 - 3/17/78: 1076 - 1080
3/20 - 3/24/78: 1081 - 1085
3/27 - 3/31/78: 1086 - 1090

Everything up to here is most likely correct, because the Paley Center (formerly the Museum of Television and Radio) lists 1089 as having aired on 4/1/78; presumably on a station that aired episodes from the previous week on weekends.

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4/17 - 4/21/78: 1101 - 1105 (Someone on the yahoo board found there was a special about death the night before this airing, and he's almost positive it's 4/16)

I don't know if that special aired on TV, or if it was just released to VHS tape.  I also don't know if it aired on 4/16/78 or not, but I know it has a 1978 copyright date.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 28, 2012, 10:20:56 PM
Part 3: 8/27/79 - 8/31/84 (the post-75 era before the confirmed schedules from Hedda)

These are the most mysterious years!

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10/22 - 10/26/79: 1031 - 1035
10/29 - 11/2/79: 1041 - 1045
11/5 - 11/9/79: 1046 - 1050
11/12 - 11/16/79: 1061 - 1065
11/19 - 11/23/79: 1066 - 1070 (someone on the yahoo board remembered the debut of the model pan, which was this week, on Thanksgiving week, so this could fit that person's memory)

But that same person remembers the 4 "banned" weeks airing in 1981, but you don't even have them airing in 1979.

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12/31/79 - 1/4/80: 1101 - 1105 (appropriately, the episode about death would air when kids don't have school, and a lot of people don't have work since some offices are closed the week b between Christmas and New Year's, and for those that don't, it'd mean a broken 4-day weekend otherwise)

I really don't think that New Years Eve, a fun, happy holiday, is the right time to air 1101, an episode about death.

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5/12 - 5/16/80: 1191 - 1195
5/19 - 5/23/80: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (Friday before a holiday, Memorial Day, so therefore probably intentional
5/26 - 5/30/80: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) This is the first of several post-75 runs airing in backwards order, and they're all part of the Mister Rogers Talks to Parents series, where they'd air that special Sunday night based on the theme of the week, and then the week itself. Starting School and Superheroes are two of those weeks, while Bubbleland is not.

Do we know for sure that the Superheroes episodes actually aired that week, or just the special?  I wonder why they'd air the special on a holiday weekend.

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Such a post-75 run has been known as a MRN Summer.

I don't think these were called MRN summers.  I think the schedule that you showed me was just labeled "MRN Summer 1982 schedule", meaning that it was the schedule for the summer of 1982.

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Then an unconfirmed backwards MRN Summer, since Starting School is confirmed.
8/4 - 8/8/80: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland)
8/11 - 8/15/80: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
8/18 - 8/22/80: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)

That is really just speculating.


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6/1 - 6/5/81: 1481 - 1485 (Competition) (a Mister Rogers Talks to Parents week) (This MRN Summer would feature only non-anual occasion Mister Rogers Talks to Parents weeks)
6/8 - 6/12/81: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
6/15 - 6/19/81: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
6/22 - 6/26/81: 1436 - 1440
6/29 - 7/3/81: 1441 - 1445
7/6 - 7/10/81: 1446 - 1450
7/13 - 7/17/81: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (The reason why this MRN Summer wouldn't start with the debut is both because it reflects what's confirmed about 1982, as I'll mention when I get there, and it'd avoid a 1455/1456 interruption)
7/20 - 7/24/81: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
7/27 - 7/31/81: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
8/3 - 8/7/81: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
8/10 - 8/14/81: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
8/17 - 8/21/81: 1461 - 1470 (Starting School)

8/24 - 8/28/81: 1486 - 1490 (Play) (Yes, only a 5-week interval for this week, but it also reflects 1982 which I'll explain when I get there)

I seriously doubt they would have had 2 "MRN summers" as you call them during the same summer.

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6/21 - 6/25/82: 1486 - 1490 (Play) (the last episode of the previous "season" (Labor Day - Labor Day), not a MRN Summer week, reflects 1981 starting with Windstorm in Bubbleland
6/28 - 7/2/82: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (a Mister Rogers Talks to Parents week. And also another opera debuting the Friday before a holiday)
7/5 - 7/9/82: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
7/12 - 7/16/82: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (So therefore, this isn't in its proper position, with the MRN Summer not airing backwards)
7/19 - 7/23/82: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
7/26 - 7/30/82: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
8/2 - 8/6/82: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
8/9 - 8/13/82: 1461 - 1465 (Staring School)
8/16 - 8/20/82: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland)
8/23 - 8/27/82: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity)
(This being the season finale reairing proves Play had to reair in 1981 after its debut. Also, like 1981 (and 1980 according to the theory I had there), this MRN Summer ends the Friday of the weekend before Labor Day)

That schedule that Hedda sent you had a lot of cross-outs, and is likely not accurate.  Also, although it seemed that the parents special about Discipline was (according to the schedule with the cross-outs) scheduled for Sunday, July 4, 1982, it's unlikely it would have aired that day, since PBS stations always air A Capitol Fourth on July 4.  Originally, it seemed Play was scheduled for that week, presumably to avoid a parents special on July 4.  Also, it's not confirmed that Creativity reran in August.

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11/15 - 11/19/82: 1506 - 1510 (Friends) (Why this didn't debut one week so it could debut appropriately Thanksgiving week makes no sense. On the Thursday episode, 1509, it's about loved ones coming together to the castle for a friendship picnic (similar to Thanksgiving dinner). They probably didn't like the idea of Thanksgiving debuts but changed their minds in 1984.

In my opinion, the Thanksgiving debuts in later years made no sense, since kids would be doing other things those weeks, and stations would pre-empt MRN.

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2/14 - 2/18/83: 1321 - 1325

Someone else said that 1315 aired Feb. 18.

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8/20 - 8/24/84: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)

I thought it aired Aug. 13-17.  You are thinking of 1990.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 28, 2012, 11:06:55 PM
Part 5: 9/4/89 - 8/9/91 (last of the episodes not confirmed by Hedda and the beige wall era)

9/4 - 9/8/89: 1126 - 1130 (last ever airing of a wainscoting/WNET episode)
9/11 - 9/15/89: 1131 - 1135
9/18 - 9/22- 89: 1136 - 1140[/color]
According to articles and people on the yahoo board, as well as my memory since this was a year I watched, the post-75 run started after this. And according to the articles, it's the one post-75 run with every non-annual occasion week or debut in its proper position.
9/25 - 9/29/89: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (opera the Friday before (and day of starting at sundown) the Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah)
10/2 - 10/6/89: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (the travel episode would appropriately be the Friday before a holiday)
10/9 - 10/13/89: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
10/16 - 10/20/89: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
10/23 - 10/27/89: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
10/30 - 11/3/89: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
11/6 - 11/10/89: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
11/13 - 11/17/89: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (opera the Friday before Thanksgiving)

11/20 - 11/24/89: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
11/27 - 12/1/89: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
12/4 - 12/8/89: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
12/11 - 12/15/89: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict)
12/18 - 12/22/89: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
12/25 - 12/29/89: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (Christmas/New Year's opera in its proper position!)
1/1 - 1/5/90: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/8 - 1/12/90: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
1/15 - 1/19/90: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
1/22 - 1/26/90: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
1/29 - 2/2/90: 1551 - 1555
2/5 - 2/9/90: 1556 - 1560
2/12 - 2/16/90: 1561 - 1565 (opera the Friday before a holiday!)
2/19 - 2/23/90: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
2/26 - 3/2/90: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
3/5 - 3/9/90: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
3/12 - 3/16/90: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
3/19 - 3/23/90: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
3/26 - 3/30/90: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
4/2 - 4/6/90: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets)
4/9 - 4/13/90: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)

4/16 - 4/20/90: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment) (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe became an annual occasion week as one of the school weeks in August, which I think doesn't make sense, because just the opera involves a school, that's not enough, in my opinion, to make it a school week. And it airing here would mean an Easter Wednesday - Friday opera. Although the debut then was also appropriate because this is the week before Earth Day, Earth Day was particularly big that year since it was the milestone 20th anniversary, and there was a sweepstakes in which each PBS station was required to air at least one episode on the environment
4/23 - 4/27/90: 1141 - 1145
This ends the episodes not confirmed by Hedda, and every week from here on is bold.
4/30 - 5/4/90: 1146 - 1150
5/7 - 5/11/90: 1151 - 1155
5/14 - 5/18/90: 1156 - 1160
5/21 - 5/25/90: 1161 - 1165
5/28 - 6/1/90: 1166 - 1170
6/4 - 6/8/90: 1171 - 1175
6/11 - 6/15/90: 1176 - 1180
6/18 - 6/22/90: 1181 - 1185
6/25 - 6/29/90: 1186 - 1190
7/2 - 7/6/90: 1191 - 1195
7/9 - 7/13/90: 1196 - 1200
7/16 - 7/20/90: 1201 - 1205
7/23 - 7/27/90: 1206 - 1210

7/30 - 8/3/90: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music) (the first of the debuts at least partially in August, although it'd never be this early again. In fact, every pre-79 run after this would run later, which is why these next two weeks are a real mystery, since it's one of the rare airings of a week twice in between Labor Days
8/6 - 8/10/90: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
8/13 - 8/17/90: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
8/20 - 8/24/90: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/27 - 8/31/90: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe) (though it became, as I said for a mysterious reason, an annual occasion week for school, it never aired this late, even though it's an opera the Wednesday - Friday before a holiday)
9/3 - 9/7/90: 1481 - 1485 (Competition) (Windstorm and Bubbleland and Divorce were moved for mysterious reasons, and in fact they never aired in their proper positions after this when the early post-75s were airing in the fall)
9/10 - 9/14/90: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
9/17 - 9/21/90: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
9/24 - 9/28/90: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (the only logical explanation of this week is the opera airing on the Friday before (and day of starting at sundown) Yom Kippur)
10/1 - 10/5/90: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) (why this week is a mystery. It was a week on war during the period that led to the iraq war, but it would also be if it were in its proper position, since the war started January 15, 1991, long after its proper position week
10/8 - 10/12/90: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment) (this I believe had to do with a sweepstakes)
10/15 - 10/19/90: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
10/22 - 10/26/90: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
10/29 - 11/2/90: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity)
11/5 - 11/9/90: 1511 - 1515 (Games) (why Friends moved is a mystery, and the week it moved to makes no sense)
11/12 - 11/16/90: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (the first of several out of proper position November airings, the reason why has to do probably with 1480 airing the Friday before Thanksgiving, one of the heaviest travel times
11/19 - 11/23/90: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
11/26 - 11/30/90: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
12/3 - 12/7/90: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
12/10 - 12/14/90: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
12/17 - 12/21/90: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
12/24 - 12/28/90: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations) (Christmas/New Year's opera, though one of only two times this was the Christmas/New Year's opera)
12/31/90 - 1/4/91: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/7 - 1/11/91: 1506 - 1510 (Friends) (as stated in its proper position, why this week makes no sense)
1/14 - 1/18/91: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
1/21 - 1/25/91: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
1/28 - 2/1/91: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
2/4 - 2/8/91: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
2/11 - 2/15/91: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
2/18 - 2/22/91 (Alike & Different)
2/25 - 3/1/91: 1631 - 1635 (Growing) (This began a tradition of the February debut. And amazingly, not only did 1633 air what would be the anniversary of Fred Rogers' death 12 years later, but it also deals with peace, and that's the day the Iraq war ended!)
3/4 - 3/8/91: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
3/11 - 3/15/91: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
3/18 - 3/22/91: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets) (Though this is its proper position, it's also its future annual occasion time since 1600 is Fred's birthday episode, and that's March 20. And except for in 1996 - 97, it always aired at its annual occasion time after this)
3/25 - 3/29/91: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)
4/1 - 4/5/91: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (the reason why this moved could be for two reasons, Easter Friday and the Friday before Reardon's birthday!)
4/8 - 4/12/91: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
4/15 - 4/19/91: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music) (the first airing of a week twice in the same post-75 run, but since it debuted before Labor Day, that's the reason why)
4/22 - 4/26/91: 1211 - 1215
4/29 - 5/3/91: 1216 - 1220
5/6 - 5/10/91: 1221 - 1225
5/13 - 5/17/91: 1226 - 1230
5/20 - 5/24/91: 1231 - 1235
5/27 - 5/31/91: 1236 - 1240
6/3 - 6/7/91: 1241 - 1245
6/10 - 6/14/91: 1246 - 1250
6/17 - 6/21/91: 1251 - 1255
6/24 - 6/28/91: 1256 - 1260
7/1 - 7/5/91: 1261 - 1265
7/8 - 7/12/91: 1266 - 1270
7/15 - 7/19/91: 1271 - 1275
7/22 - 7/26/91: 1276 - 1280
7/29 - 8/2/91: 1281 - 1285
8/5 - 8/9/91: 1286 - 1290 (and as stated after its 1987 airing, last airing of a beige walled episode)

Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 28, 2012, 11:11:27 PM
Part 6: 8/12/91 - 8/11/95 (last of the pre-79 era):

8/12 - 8/16/91: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe)
8/19 - 8/23/91: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/26 - 8/30/91: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up) (starting then, the debut was fully in August, and closer to Labor Day)
9/2 - 9/6/91: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
9/9 - 9/13/91: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
9/16 - 9/20/91: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (why this week makes no sense. The holiday it's closest to is it's the Jewish holiday Yom Kippur the Wednesday before)
9/23 - 9/27/91: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
9/30 - 10/4/91: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
10/7 - 10/11/91: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (maybe it has to do with 1480 airing the Friday before a holiday. Though ironically, if it weren't moved to here, the opera in its proper position would air the Friday before a holiday)
10/14 - 10/18/91: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity)
10/21 - 10/25/91: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
10/28 - 11/1/91: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) (They smartly realized, after 1985, that they had to air it closer to Halloween, even if one episode would air after)
11/4 - 11/8/91: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
11/11 - 11/15/91: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) (the week on war airing the week of Veteran's Day!)
11/18 - 11/22/91: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
11/25 - 11/29/91: 1641 - 1645 (Art)
12/2 - 12/6/91: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
12/9 - 12/13/91: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
12/16 - 12/20/91: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (the Christmas/New Year's opera, though since it's not in its proper position, I don't understand why not one week later, like 1985)
12/23 - 12/27/91: 1546 - 1550 (Music) (Though in its proper position, this did begin a tradition of almost every year, not always in its proper position, having a week on music and the arts airing on the week containing Christmas Day)
12/30/91 - 1/3/92: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
1/6 - 1/10/92: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/13 - 1/17/92: 1551 - 1555 (Families) (why these last two non-annual occasion weeks were switched is a mystery)
1/20 - 1/24/92: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations)
1/27 - 1/31/92: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
2/3 - 2/7/92: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
2/10 - 2/14/92: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
2/17 - 2/21/92: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
2/24 - 2/28/92: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends)
3/2 - 3/6/92: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
3/9 - 3/13/92: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
3/16 - 3/20/92: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets) (Again, not knowing whether it was meant to air then in its proper position or at its annual occasion time)
3/23 - 3/27/92: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)
3/30 - 4/3/92: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
4/6 - 4/10/92: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment)
4/13 - 4/17/92: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music)
4/20 - 4/24/92: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
4/27 - 5/1/92: 1631 - 1635 (Growing)
5/4 - 5/8/92: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up)
5/11 - 5/15/92: 1351 - 1355 (as stated back in 1987 - 88, although it's understandable why not 1291, why, when the walls are painted blue in 1326 - 1327, why not 1336 - 1340. Maybe it just had to do with phasing out pre-79s as seen in the pre-79 airings after this)
5/18 - 5/22/92: 1356 - 1360
5/25 - 5/29/92: 1366 - 1370 (1361 - 1365 was moved to the following year, for mysterious reasons, though that could have been about phasing out pre-79s)
6/1 - 6/5/92: 1371 - 1375
6/8 - 6/12/92: 1376 - 1380
6/15 - 6/19/92: 1381 - 1385
6/22 - 6/26/92: 1386 - 1390 (why it didn't last air along with 1376 - 1385 when it's one big story arc is beyond me. And this week had three airings after this on its own
6/29 - 7/3/92: 1421 - 1425 (Some of the earlier 1975 weeks, like 1361 - 1365 were also moved to the following year for a mysterious reason. Though the opera aired Friday before a holiday, and day off for that holiday!)
7/6 - 7/10/92: 1426 - 1430
7/13 - 7/17/92: 1431 - 1435
7/20 - 7/24/92: 1436 - 1440
7/27 - 7/31/92: 1446 - 1450
8/3 - 8/7/92: 1451 - 1455
The post-75 run that follows is very similar to the previous year.
8/10 - 8/14/92: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School) (why one week earlier than 1991 doesn't make sense, however here's a theory -- at that moment, even if not other times, they wanted it to air pledge week, and pledge week could easily have been one week earlier than 1991 since in 1992, the week that follows was the week of one of the Conventions.
8/17 - 8/21/92: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe)
8/24 - 8/28/92: 1651 - 1655 (Learning)
8/31 - 9/4/92: 1481 - 1485 (Competition) (why, even with a late Labor Day, the proper position weeks started then is a mystery. Though they've had Labor Day traditions be one week early in future late Labor Day years. However, this is one of the ways that this similar to the previous year)
9/7 - 9/11/92: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
9/14 - 9/18/92: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (why this week is a mystery, when it it's quite a while before both Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur and nowhere near any other holiday. However, it is the same week as the previous year and another way in which it's similar)
9/21 - 9/25/92: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
9/28 - 10/2/92: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
10/5 - 10/9/92: 1476 - 1480 (another mystery with the same explanation as 1991, and something else that makes it similar)
10/12 - 10/16/92: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity)
10/19 - 10/23/92: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
10/26 - 10/30/92: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
11/2 - 11/6/92: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
11/9 - 11/13/92: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) (and not only similar to 1991, but also like 1991, week of Veteran's Day)
11/16 - 11/20/92: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
11/23 - 11/27/92: 1656 - 1650 (Up & Down)
11/30 - 12/4/92: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
12/7 - 12/11/92: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
12/14 - 12/18/92: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (similar crazy mystery as 1991, and other way they're similar)
12/21 - 12/25/92: 1546 - 1550 (like 1991, music and arts week Christmas Day tradition)
12/28/92 - 1/1/93: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
1/4 - 1/8/93: 1516 - 1520: Daycare & Night Care
1/11 - 1/15/93: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating) (So unlike 1991 - 92, both the last two non-annual occasion weeks in their proper positions)
1/18 - 1/22/93: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations)
1/25 - 1/29/93: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
2/1 - 2/5/93: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
2/8 - 2/12/93: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
2/15 - 2/19/93: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
2/22 - 2/26/93: 1661 - 1665 (Love)
3/1 - 3/5/93: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness) (why Nighttime was moved is a mystery)
3/8 - 3/12/93: 1651 - 1655 (Learning) (why this week is a mystery, though here's a theory -- it became a school week, and aired the week of Labor Day starting then, but they wanted to keep the tradition of all post-75 weeks airing once in between Labor Days
3/15 - 3/19/93: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets) (again not knowing whether it's a proper position or annual occasion airing)
3/22 - 3/26/93: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)
3/29 - 4/2/93: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
4/5 - 4/9/93: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime) (so this is the mysterious week it moved to. Only theory I can think of is they could have wanted the people from Russian TV show 1589, which was major, to air Holy Thursday, and Fred's 1587 visit to Moscow on Holy Tuesday and Passover
4/12 - 4/16/93: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music)
4/19 - 4/23/93: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment) (it became an annual occasion week for Earth Day)
4/26 - 4/30/93: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
5/3 - 5/7/93: 1631 - 1635 (Growing)
5/10 - 5/14/93: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up)
5/17 - 5/21/93: 1641 - 1645 (Art)
5/24 - 5/28/93: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends)
5/31 - 6/4/93: 1361 - 1365 (So this is the week it moved to)
6/7 - 6/11/93: 1386 - 1390 (the first of this mysterious part of story arc week airing on its own. And the first time, except for 1286 - 1290 and 1296 - 1300 in 1985 - 1987, a pre-79 aired, having also aired the year before and/or the year after
6/14 - 6/18/93: 1391 - 1395
6/21 - 6/25/93: 1401 - 1405
6/28 - 7/2/93: 1406 - 1410  (the last time, until there were more than 52 pre-79s, that an episode aired without airing year before and/or the year after, and the last pre-79 to have such an airing)
7/5 - 7/9/93: 1421 - 1425 (ironically the opera one week after a holiday)
7/12 - 7/16/93: 1426 - 1430 (This last airing means it's the only week to air exactly twice (no more, no less) since 1460's last airing
7/19 - 7/23/93: 1431 - 1435
7/26 - 7/30/93: 1436 - 1440
8/2 - 8/6/93: 1446 - 1450
8/9 - 8/13/93: 1451 - 1455
8/16 - 8/20/93: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/23 - 8/27/93: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe)
8/30 - 9/3/93: 1666 - 1670 (Then & Now)
9/6 - 9/10/93: 1651 - 1655 (Learning) (as stated after it's March airing, this became one of the school weeks, always airing Labor Day week after the debut
9/13 - 9/17/93: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
9/20 - 9/24/93: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
9/27 - 10/1/93: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (this week doesn't make sense, since it's after both Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur and not the Friday before any holiday)
10/4 - 10/8/93: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
10/11 - 10/15/93: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
10/18 - 10/22/93: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
10/25 - 10/29/93: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
11/1 - 11/5/93: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (Why these last two non-annual occasion weeks were switched is beyond me. Maybe to follow the November opera tradition)
11/8 - 11/12/93: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (from then on, each time these early weeks aired in the fall, it became a November annual occasion week, probably so that 1480 could air before Thanksgiving)
11/15 - 11/19/93: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
11/22 - 11/26/93: 1536 - 1540 (Food) (So instead of Thanksgiving debuts, this is when Food became an annual occasion week for Thanksgiving, which makes sense, since it deals with thanks after a famine in Northwood, as well as food)
11/29 - 12/3/93: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict)
12/6 - 12/10/93: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
12/13 - 12/17/93: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
12/20 - 12/24/93: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (of course these two switched because of the Christmas/New Year's opera)
12/27 - 12/31/93: 1546 - 1550 (Music) (the music/arts tradition followed thinking of the first weekday after Christmas)
1/3 - 1/7/94: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/10 - 1/14/94: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
1/17 - 1/21/94: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
1/24 - 1/28/94: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations)
1/31 - 2/4/94: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
2/7 - 2/11/94: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
2/14 - 2/18/94: 1661 - 1665 (Love) (So therefore, it became an annual occasion week for Valentine's Day, though why not the week before is a mystery, since most episodes are aired after Valentine's Day. Although it does happen to always be the week before President's Day
2/21 - 2/25/94: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear) (the February debut would always be President's Week, which makes sense since kids are out of school, and therefore always immediately after Love)
2/28 - 3/4/94: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
3/7 - 3/11/94: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
3/14 - 3/18/94: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets) (Since this is its first out of proper position airing, this, at the latest, is when it became an annual occasion week)
3/21 - 3/25/94: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
3/28 - 4/1/94: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
4/4 - 4/8/94: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)
4/11 - 4/15/94: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
4/18 - 4/22/94: 1616 - 1620 (An annual occasion week in its proper position! And unlike Secrets in 1991 - 1993, we know it was an annual occasion week, since it had an out of proper position airing at its annual occasion time!)
4/25 - 4/29/94: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music)
5/2 - 5/6/94: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
5/9 - 5/13/94: 1631 - 1635 (Growing)
5/16 - 5/20/94: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up)
5/23 - 5/27/94: 1641 - 1645 (Art)
5/30 - 6/3/94: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends)
6/6 - 6/10/94: 1651 - 1655 (Learning) (though it was an annual occasion week, it's airing in its proper position, and breaking the Labor Day rule. My guess as to why is because of phasing out the pre-79s)
6/13 - 6/17/94: 1656 - 1660 (Up & Down)
6/20 - 6/24/94: 1666 - 1670 (Then & Now)
6/27 - 7/1/94: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear) (so therefore for the first a post-Labor Day debut is airing in its proper position, and again the reason why is most likely to phase out the pre-79s)
7/4 - 7/8/94: 1386 - 1390 (the second of three times it's mysteriously airing without 1376 - 1385 which is one story arc)
At this point, every pre-79 is a last airing
7/11 - 7/15/94: 1431 - 1435
7/18 - 7/22/94: 1421 - 1425 (the reason for these two out of order is probably because in order they can't air them in order without 1426 - 1430, and they couldn't air that week as they were cutting down on pre-79s
After this, until June 30, 1995 you'll notice that except for debuts, it was exactly like one year before
7/25 - 7/29/94: 1436 - 1440
8/1 - 8/5/94: 1446 - 1450
8/8 - 8/12/94: 1451 - 1455
8/15 - 8/19/94: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/22 - 8/26/94: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe)
8/29 - 9/2/94: 1676 - 1680 (Going Away & Coming Back)
9/5 - 9/9/94: 1651 - 1655 (Learning)
9/12 - 9/16/94: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
9/19 - 9/23/94: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
9/26 - 9/30/94: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (again after both Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur and not the Friday before any holiday. But again, it's part of what makes it exactly like the year before)
10/3 - 10/7/94: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
10/10 - 10/14/94: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
10/17 - 10/21/94: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
10/24 - 10/28/94: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
10/31 - 11/4/94: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (again the last two non-annual occasion weeks switched, but for that, same explanation as 1993 and that's part of what makes it exactly the same)
11/7 - 11/11/94: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
11/14 - 11/18/94: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
11/21 - 11/25/94: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
11/28 - 12/2/94: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict)
12/5 - 12/9/94: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
12/12 - 12/16/94: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
12/19 - 12/23/94: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (Christmas/New Year's opera, and again that's why these last two were switched)
12/26 - 12/30/94: 1546 - 1550 (Music) (again following the music/arts tradition with it airing the first episode after Christmas
1/2 - 1/6/95: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/9 - 1/13/95: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
1/16 - 1/20/95: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
1/23 - 1/27/95: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations)
1/30 - 2/3/95: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
2/6 - 2/10/95: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
2/13 - 2/17/95: 1661 - 1665 (Love)
2/20 - 2/24/95: 1681 - 1685 (Fast & Slow)
2/27 - 3/3/95: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
3/6 - 3/10/95: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
3/13 - 3/17/95: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets)
3/20 - 3/24/95: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
3/27 - 3/31/95: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
4/3 - 4/7/95: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)
4/10 - 4/14/95: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
4/17 - 4/21/95: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment) (same interesting phenomenon as described for this week in 1994)
4/24 - 4/28/95: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music)
5/1 - 5/5/95: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings) (1627 aired the day Don Brockett died)
5/8 - 5/12/95: 1631 - 1635 (Growing)
5/15 - 5/19/95: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up)
5/22 - 5/26/95: 1641 - 1645 (Art)
5/29 - 6/2/95: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends)
6/5 - 6/9/95: 1651 - 1655 (Learning) (Again, an annual occasion week in its proper position, but same explanation for this week in 1994 which is part of what makes it exactly the same)
6/12 - 6/16/95: 1656 - 1660 (Up & Down)
6/19 - 6/23/95: 1666 - 1670 (Then & Now)
6/26 - 6/30/95: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear)
7/3 - 7/7/95: 1676 - 1680 (Going Away & Coming Back)
7/10 - 7/14/95: 1681 - 1685 (Fast & Slow) (and again here, a post-Labor Day debut airing again in the same post-75 run. But again this is to cut down on pre-79s, and the same reason applies to these crazy random airings in the next three weeks, all breaking the Labor Day rule
7/17 - 7/21/95: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
7/24 - 7/28/95: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
7/31 - 8/4/95: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
8/7 - 8/11/95: 1386 - 1390 (the third time this week aired without the rest of the story arc, 1376 - 1385, and the last pre-79 to air)
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 29, 2012, 12:19:09 AM
12/24 - 12/28/84: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (Christmas/New Year's opera. And interestingly enough they'd have an opera at that time of year until 1994)
12/31/84 - 1/4/85: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care) (this became the New Year's annual occasion week, later replaced with 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work), also about daycare, though what daycare has to do with New Year's is a mystery
1/7 - 1/11/85: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
1/14 - 1/18/85: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict)
1/21 - 1/25/85: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
1/28 - 2/1/85: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (Yes, it's an opera, but not the Friday before any holiday, except Groundhog Day which isn't as big a holiday like other holidays for which this tradition has been followed)

What they did was swap Grandparents and Creativity.  Notice that week that Creativity aired is the week that Grandparents would have aired if it had aired in its proper position.
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3/4 - 3/8/85: 1271 - 1285
3/11 - 3/15/85: 1286 - 1290

What you mean is:
3/4 - 3/8: 1271-1275
3/11 - 3/15: 1276-1280
3/18 - 3/22: 1281-1285
3/25 - 3/29: 1286-1290

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10/28 - 11/1/85: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes) (it was basically switched with 1476 - 1480 (Divorce), as seen in February, for reasons unknown. Maybe it has to do with the fact that 1480 deals with travel, and it aired President's Week when a lot of kids are on vacation, and interestingly enough also that's the week it debuted in 1981. Although that was the last time it aired President's Week. And even without the switch, Divorce would air one week early.

I think it was so that Betty and James's wedding (No and Yes) would air before they adopted Carrie Dell (Families).

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12/23 - 12/27/85: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (For this, same explanation as 1984)
12/30/85 - 1/3/86: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
1/6 - 1/10/86: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care) (interestingly enough, both at its annual occasion time and in its proper position!)
1/13 - 1/17/86: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (therefore, switched with 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) for reasons unknown
1/20 - 1/24/86: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (again, though an opera, this isn't the Friday before any holiday, even as minor as Groundhog Day, so this week is a real mystery even though interestingly enough it is the Friday after a holiday)

Again, that is not a mystery at all.  They just swapped Grandparents and Creativity; this is the week Grandparents would have aired in its proper position.  The real mystery is why Conflict was moved.

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1/27 - 1/31/86: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict)

An unfortunate implication of Conflict being moved for seemingly no real reason is that it aired the day of the Challenger explosion (1/28/86).

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Then comes two other mysterious weeks of airings, and the only known time a pre-79 is airing that's nowhere near proper position pre-79 airings. And it leads to two operas in a row
4/21 - 4/25/86: 1286 - 1290
4/28 - 5/2/86: 1296 - 1300 (an opera, but not the Friday before any holiday. However, with Passover 4/24 - 5/1, the opera would air on the last weekday of a lot of spring breaks)
5/5 - 5/9/86: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations) (this opera would once again be the Friday before Mother's Day)

I think the 2 random weeks were to stall, so that Celebrations wouldn't interrupt in between 1455 and 1456, which maybe after 1979 they realized was a mistake.  At the time it was scheduled, they probably didn't realize that 1565 would be an opera.

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8/4 - 8/8/86: 1116 - 1120
8/11 - 8/15/86: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School) (I don't understand why this week, when it never aired this early before, and 1120/1121 isn't a great interruption at all
8/18 - 8/22/86: 1121 - 1125

Why is 1120/1121 any worse an interruption than 1125/1126?  Because of Prince Tuesday's 1 week birthday party in 1122?  I wonder if the 1125 opera is referred to in 1126.  Also, Starting School aired earlier than that in 1982.  It's possible that maybe the 1985 airing was considered to be a week late.


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9/28 - 10/2/87: 1296 - 1300 (This is to avoid the post-75 run interrupting between 1310 and 1311, which can't be. Though why, when the story arc is 1301 - 1315, not 1296 - 1315, why 1291 - 1295 was the week that was moved and not this week, is a mystery. Maybe in 1301 - 1305, they talk about the opera as being "last week." Also this means this opera would air in the fall, which is appropriate since it's about potato bugs, and it's airing the Friday before (and day of, starting at sundown) a Jewish holiday, Yom Kippur

They would not have intentionally aired an opera for Yom Kippur, since then Jewish kids wouldn't be able to watch it if it aired after sundown.

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12/21 - 12/25/87: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (Therefore, the Christmas/New Year's opera amazingly on Christmas Day!)

But that was a waste of a good episode, since few kids would be watching MRN on Christmas, and some stations could preempt MRN.

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1/4 - 1/8/88: 1511 - 1515 (Games) (Yes, no Daycare & Night Care at its annual occasion time, but only that year because the week that did air was a PBS sweepstakes in which each show must have at least one episode about daycare)

Where did you hear that?

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8/29 - 9/2/88: 1396 - 1400 (one of four weeks to last air at this time for mysterious reasons, probably to phase out pre-79s

There was the theory that the 4 skipped weeks heavily featured Prince Tuesday and Ana, who are younger than Daniel in these episodes, but approximiately the same age as him as the pre-79s.  Also, all of the Mr. Allmine weeks were skipped, except 1421-1425 (where he played a character in the opera, rather than his usual Mr. Allmine character).

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9/26 - 9/30/88: 1416 - 1420 (two more weeks to last air at this time for mysterious reasons, probably to phase out pre-79s)[/color]

I also had the theory that the energy crisis was less relevant during the 90s than it was during the the 70s.  And, 1616-1620, from 1990, dealt with environmental topics that were more relevant during the 90s than the energy crisis.

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10/3 - 10/7/88: 1436 - 1440 (the whole 1421 - 1435 story arc moved to avoid a 1430/1431 interruption  for the post-75 run. But the reason why the post-75 run started when it did is a mystery, especially since 1435/1436 would mean starting with Superheroes at its annual occasion time, as in the last four years)

Maybe they wanted 1425, which is an opera taking place at a beach, to air in the spring rather than the fall.

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10/10 - 10/14/88: 1441 - 1445 (the last of the mysterious four weeks to last air, probably to phase out pre-79s)

That week heavily features Prince Tuesday.

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12/26 - 12/30/88: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (That explanation could maybe be because Ana's birthday episode, 1500, would air on Betty Aberlin's birthday)

That is the most likely reason.  Since this week is entirely after Christmas, it's unlikely that it aired then due to Christmas, unlike 1984 and 1985.  Betty's birthday seems the most likely scenario.  But why did no other cast members get birthday episodes on their birthday?  I know Fred did, but not until 1992.  And, 1500 did not air on Betty's birthday in 1994 or 2005 (other years her birthday fell on a Friday).  And, they did air 1564 (Henrietta's birthday episode) on Betty's birthday in 2004, but not in 1993 or 1999 (other years her birthday fell on a Thursday).

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5/1 - 5/5/89: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe (this makes it even more mysterious that the post-75 run didn't start with the usual Superheroes since the opera would air the Friday before Mother's Day. However, it's the other case of operas two weeks in a row with an opera the following week.

First of all, Josephine has nothing to do with Mother's Day.  Secondly, at the time the schedule was created, they probably didn't realize 1608-1610 would be an opera.  1425, which actually did air the Friday before Mothers Day, has nothing to do with Mother's Day either.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 29, 2012, 12:30:53 AM
9/25 - 9/29/89: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (opera the Friday before (and day of starting at sundown) the Jewish holiday Rosh Hashanah)

Again, that was obviously coincidence.

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10/2 - 10/6/89: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (the travel episode would appropriately be the Friday before a holiday)

It aired that same week in 1991 and 1992, which is strange, since I didn't think Columbus Day was a holiday where many kids would be travelling by plane.

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9/24 - 9/28/90: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (the only logical explanation of this week is the opera airing on the Friday before (and day of starting at sundown) Yom Kippur)
10/1 - 10/5/90: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) (why this week is a mystery. It was a week on war during the period that led to the iraq war, but it would also be if it were in its proper position, since the war started January 15, 1991, long after its proper position week
10/8 - 10/12/90: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment) (this I believe had to do with a sweepstakes)

Those 3 weeks are real mysteries.  Not sure what you mean by a "sweepstakes".

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11/5 - 11/9/90: 1511 - 1515 (Games) (why Friends moved is a mystery, and the week it moved to makes no sense)

Probably since it had recently aired, in August, and they didn't want to air it again so soon.

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11/12 - 11/16/90: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (the first of several out of proper position November airings, the reason why has to do probably with 1480 airing the Friday before Thanksgiving, one of the heaviest travel times

Yes, and also because holidays such as Thanksgiving can be hard for kids with divorced parents.

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4/15 - 4/19/91: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music) (the first airing of a week twice in the same post-75 run, but since it debuted before Labor Day, that's the reason why)

Remember, the schedules were from Sept. 1 to Aug. 31, roughtly Labor Day to Labor Day.  The previous airing of Fathers and Music was quite a while before Sept. 1.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 29, 2012, 12:46:03 AM
Part 6: 8/12/91 - 8/11/95 (last of the pre-79 era):

9/16 - 9/20/91: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (why this week makes no sense. The holiday it's closest to is it's the Jewish holiday Yom Kippur the Wednesday before)

Just a crazy theory that is almost certainly wrong: maybe so that 1473, with pre-79 opera flashbacks, would air on a day that older kids who watched the pre-79s would be home from school.

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12/16 - 12/20/91: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (the Christmas/New Year's opera, though since it's not in its proper position, I don't understand why not one week later, like 1985)

Maybe since many kids would see their grandparents for Christmas, they wanted to air that week before Christmas.  Also, maybe to air an opera on the last day of school for most kids.

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12/23 - 12/27/91: 1546 - 1550 (Music) (Though in its proper position, this did begin a tradition of almost every year, not always in its proper position, having a week on music and the arts airing on the week containing Christmas Day)

Probably because older kids would be home from school, and the topic of the arts would be of interest to them.

Another crazy theory (almost certainly wrong): maybe so that an episode about the arts airs the week closest to Betty Aberlin's birthday (Dec. 30), since she has a real passion for the arts.

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12/30/91 - 1/3/92: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
1/6 - 1/10/92: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/13 - 1/17/92: 1551 - 1555 (Families) (why these last two non-annual occasion weeks were switched is a mystery)

Maybe since Fred considered the topic of adoption to be so important, he wanted to be sure kids would see it, and wanted to avoid airing it a week that kids could be on vacation.

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5/11 - 5/15/92: 1351 - 1355 (as stated back in 1987 - 88, although it's understandable why not 1291, why, when the walls are painted blue in 1326 - 1327, why not 1336 - 1340. Maybe it just had to do with phasing out pre-79s as seen in the pre-79 airings after this)
5/18 - 5/22/92: 1356 - 1360
5/25 - 5/29/92: 1366 - 1370 (1361 - 1365 was moved to the following year, for mysterious reasons, though that could have been about phasing out pre-79s)
6/1 - 6/5/92: 1371 - 1375
6/8 - 6/12/92: 1376 - 1380
6/15 - 6/19/92: 1381 - 1385
6/22 - 6/26/92: 1386 - 1390 (why it didn't last air along with 1376 - 1385 when it's one big story arc is beyond me. And this week had three airings after this on its own

Those 3 weeks did air together this year (but not the next 3 years).

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6/29 - 7/3/92: 1421 - 1425 (Some of the earlier 1975 weeks, like 1361 - 1365 were also moved to the following year for a mysterious reason. Though the opera aired Friday before a holiday, and day off for that holiday!)

Some of the above mysteries could have been so that 1425, which takes place at a beach, would air on the Friday before 4th of July, when many kids would go to a beach.

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7/11 - 7/15/94: 1431 - 1435
7/18 - 7/22/94: 1421 - 1425 (the reason for these two out of order is probably because in order they can't air them in order without 1426 - 1430,

I don't see why not.

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7/10 - 7/14/95: 1681 - 1685 (Fast & Slow) (and again here, a post-Labor Day debut airing again in the same post-75 run. But again this is to cut down on pre-79s, and the same reason applies to these crazy random airings in the next three weeks, all breaking the Labor Day rule
7/17 - 7/21/95: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
7/24 - 7/28/95: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
7/31 - 8/4/95: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)

I'm guessing they just wanted 3 post-75 from roughly half way through the cycle.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 29, 2012, 08:54:22 PM
In 1988, that day was also Reardon's birthday (sadly, his last birthday),

Yes, and even sadder, he died only 8 days later!

I've never heard that 1-65 and 66-130 are considered 2 different seasons.  I know it was speculated that 66 was when the new set debuted.  But Tim said that the new set debuted gradually, and by Episode 21, the set was entirely the new set.

I've heard of 1969 - 1975 as Seasons 3 - 9, and then from then on, every debut between Labor Days as different seasons, with 33 total, so I don't think the season finale was 65 and the season premiere, 66, even though 1 - 130 did debut back to back.

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6/30 - 7/4/69: 26 - 30 (I saw the episode descriptions for this week in an old TV Guide, and they matched the University of Pittsburgh Files that I got of recaps of each episode, and that's what led me to believe both that 121 - 125 had to have aired three times before 126 - 130 twice, and that they started with episode 1 on May 26).

First of all, especially back then, I'm not sure that all stations followed a national schedule.  Secondly, that could have been a timeslot that aired the previous week's episode.

I think they did follow a national schedule, and I know that Sesame Street did, which only premiered 3 weeks after the later TV Guide airing I found. And second, I think this was the only MRN airing, so they wouldn't air the previous week's episode without the day's episode itself, and also, which I didn't think was worth noting, they also had 1061 - 1065 on May 5 - 9, 1969, which is confirmed. And if this was the previous week's episode, there'd be a week of slack before 2/16/76, asI think I can pretty much guess that 5/26/69 - 2/13/76 was complete 13 weeks seasons, and from 5/24/71 - 2/13/76 they were uninterrupted.


How is 115 appropriate for Halloween?  If anything, 116-120 is more appropriate for Halloween.  The description for 115 says:

Mr. Rogers plays in a sand box on his porch. He tries on an Arab robe

That last part is appropriate for Halloween! And how is 116 - 120 appropriate for Halloween? Please don't give the whole synopsis of the whole week, just mention the Halloween elements.



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5/25 - 5/29/70: 66 - 70

Again, starting with 66 is just completely random.

No it isn't, since 66 - 130 is considered a season. And even if it weren't, this would fit with both 26 - 130 on 6/30 - 7/4/69, 106 - 110 on 10/20 - 10/24/69, 1169 on 7/12/73, 1370 on 1/17/74, and most importantly, 1451 - 1455 on 2/9 -  2/13/76.




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4/5 - 4/9/71: 1166 - 1170 (an opera airing not Easter Friday, but Holy Thursday (and one of the two Thursday operas). However, though Holy Week could be a standard spring break week, that could have been intentional for Reardon's birthday, as they could have easily thought that in 1977, the next time his birthday was a Friday, there wouldn't be any more new episodes).

In that interview that was posted, Betty Aberlin said that they aired some operas on Thursdays so that Jewish kids would be able to watch them if they aired after sundown.  However, this was one of only 2 (and the last) operas that aired on a Thursday.  Maybe they tried Thursday operas, and decided against them in the future.

But the thing that's surprising is even if they tried it and they didn't work with only 2 operas, the 2 they tried it with are far apart, as there are 2 operas in between those two Thursday operas, which is a lot for trying it.

Reardon's birthday is the most likely scenario. 


And as for 84, I think it's that they wanted it on the 13th, and the only Friday the 13ths in 1968 were in September and December, when there were no debuts and they knew it at the time. Then the next Friday the 13th was in June 1969 when I'm sure they knew there wouldn't be a debut, and then the next was in February 1970, and at time, the show had only been on 4 months, and therefore they didn't know whether it'd still be on in February 1970, or maybe even June 1969.

I don't know about 1977 or 1983, but an opera did air on his birthday in 1988.

And it didn't in 1994 or 2005 either. It's possible that 1169 aired on his birthday in 1976 or 1982, and in fact 1982 is very likely (and that would also be Holy Thursday as well as the first day of Passover), but 1976 is extremely unlikely, and that wasn't Holy or Easter Thursday, or during Passover.

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4/23 - 4/27/73: 1306 - 1310 (the week on love, which would later become popular and have some of its episodes go to video, debuted Easter week, which I'm sure was intentional)

Wouldn't Valentines Day have made more sense?

But I was thinking special episodes (such as operas, unlike some years, the 1973 opera wasn't Easter Friday), rather than holiday themed weeks. And in fact, not all holiday themed weeks debuted at the appropriate time of year, such as Superheroes and Giving & Receiving. And as for Valentine's Day, there hadn't been a Valentine's Day episode since 1969, and as it turns out, that after 1969, Valentine's Day is one of the few February days with no debut. And even if by 1973, they thought the show would still have 13-week seasons after 1975, the earliest Valentine's Day episode would be 1977, which was still a few years away. And even if they did have a debut on Valentine's Day 1977, it'd be the season premiere, so most of the week would air after Valentine's Day (although 1661 - 1665 always aired the week containing Valentine's Day when a Monday). And it's also possible that even in 1977, they wouldn't have a Valentine's Day debut, since, as seen since 1971 when it first became a holiday, the season premiere was always President's Day, which makes sense, and President's Day is always after Valentine's Day.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 29, 2012, 09:18:01 PM
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11/19 - 11/23/79: 1066 - 1070 (someone on the yahoo board remembered the debut of the model pan, which was this week, on Thanksgiving week, so this could fit that person's memory)

But that same person remembers the 4 "banned" weeks airing in 1981, but you don't even have them airing in 1979.

But if any or allof them aired, there'd be a 1456 - 1030 interruption for a somewhat random debut, and though 1455/1456 is a really bad place to interrupt, I really think anywhere from 1456 - 1030 is worse. And yes, Starting School did air at an appropriate time, but if it meant a 1456 - 1030 interruption, it could easily have aired up to 3 weeks earlier, and as it happened, it never aired that late again.

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12/31/79 - 1/4/80: 1101 - 1105 (appropriately, the episode about death would air when kids don't have school, and a lot of people don't have work since some offices are closed the week b between Christmas and New Year's, and for those that don't, it'd mean a broken 4-day weekend otherwise)

I really don't think that New Years Eve, a fun, happy holiday, is the right time to air 1101, an episode about death.

But it could be appropriate because it's a time that kids are home from school and parents are home from work. In fact that's why Sesame Street episode 1839, which also deals with death, aired on Thanksgiving, which is also a fun, happy holiday.


5/26 - 5/30/80: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) This is the first of several post-75 runs airing in backwards order, and they're all part of the Mister Rogers Talks to Parents series, where they'd air that special Sunday night based on the theme of the week, and then the week itself. Starting School and Superheroes are two of those weeks, while Bubbleland is not.

Do we know for sure that the Superheroes episodes actually aired that week, or just the special?  I wonder why they'd air the special on a holiday weekend.[/quote]

It's actually more likely that the week aired than the special, because that's what was found in the article. And what's wrong with the special on a holiday weekend? I would understand no special on 7/4/82, since that's a celebratory holiday rather than a federal holiday, which this holiday isn't. And, in fact, I'm sure the Divorce special aired on 2/15/81, which is also the Sunday of a holiday weekend.

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Such a post-75 run has been known as a MRN Summer.

I don't think these were called MRN summers.  I think the schedule that you showed me was just labeled "MRN Summer 1982 schedule", meaning that it was the schedule for the summer of 1982.

And 1981, when we know they also had it. I'll call it MRN Summer until I hear otherwise.

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Then an unconfirmed backwards MRN Summer, since Starting School is confirmed.
8/4 - 8/8/80: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland)
8/11 - 8/15/80: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
8/18 - 8/22/80: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)

That is really just speculating.

Though speculating is all I can do to figure out how 1354 aired 1/29/81, since if it isn't Bubbleand and Superheroes in that order on 8/4 - 8/15/80, it's two other random weeks at some point from 9/3/79 - 1/23/81, which is also speculating.


I seriously doubt they would have had 2 "MRN summers" as you call them during the same summer.

Why is that? And I can't think of another way to have both 1354 on 1/29/81 and 1191 - 1195 on 5/24 - 5/28/82 if that's correct, and even if it isn't, 1445 on 8/12/83 which we know is correct.


That schedule that Hedda sent you had a lot of cross-outs, and is likely not accurate. 

But it's the best I can go by until I hear otherwise.

Also, although it seemed that the parents special about Discipline was (according to the schedule with the cross-outs) scheduled for Sunday, July 4, 1982, it's unlikely it would have aired that day, since PBS stations always air A Capitol Fourth on July 4.  Originally, it seemed Play was scheduled for that week, presumably to avoid a parents special on July 4. 

Actually, interestingly enough, Discipline July 5 - 9 is more confirmed than some of the others, so maybe it isn't the case that all specials aired the Sunday before the previous weeks. I don't remember whether it was Hedda or another source, but I got that week as well as certain others (July 19 - Aug. 13 to be exact). And a June 21 - 25 seems to be the week that Play was scheduled for.

Also, it's not confirmed that Creativity reran in August.

Though since it was on Hedda's draft, I'll leave that until I hear otherwise.


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2/14 - 2/18/83: 1321 - 1325

Someone else said that 1315 aired Feb. 18.

Though that can't be because the debut of Games, a random debut date, would interrupt between 1310 and 1311, which can't be, and it'd mean 2 weeks of slack before 8/15/83, and 2 skipped weeks between 2/2/81 and 2/4/83.

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8/20 - 8/24/84: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)

I thought it aired Aug. 13-17.  You are thinking of 1990.
Maybe you're right; I made the correction.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 29, 2012, 10:14:17 PM
I've never heard that 1-65 and 66-130 are considered 2 different seasons.  I know it was speculated that 66 was when the new set debuted.  But Tim said that the new set debuted gradually, and by Episode 21, the set was entirely the new set.

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I've heard of 1969 - 1975 as Seasons 3 - 9, and then from then on, every debut between Labor Days as different seasons, with 33 total, so I don't think the season finale was 65 and the season premiere, 66, even though 1 - 130 did debut back to back.

Where did you hear that?

How is 115 appropriate for Halloween?  If anything, 116-120 is more appropriate for Halloween.  The description for 115 says:

Mr. Rogers plays in a sand box on his porch. He tries on an Arab robe

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That last part is appropriate for Halloween! And how is 116 - 120 appropriate for Halloween? Please don't give the whole synopsis of the whole week, just mention the Halloween elements.

116-120 is about costumes.  As for the Arab robe: I don't think that was intended as a Halloween costume.

Again, starting with 66 is just completely random.

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No it isn't, since 66 - 130 is considered a season. And even if it weren't, this would fit with both 26 - 130 on 6/30 - 7/4/69, 106 - 110 on 10/20 - 10/24/69, 1169 on 7/12/73, 1370 on 1/17/74, and most importantly, 1451 - 1455 on 2/9 -  2/13/76.

That contradicts what you said above, where you said that even if the 1968 "season" was considered 2 seperate seasons, you agreed that it didn't necessarily start with 66.  I'm thinking that in 1970, either the entire 1968 season somehow aired, or (more likely) none of it aired at all.  Does anyone here who was alive back then remember?

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4/5 - 4/9/71: 1166 - 1170 (an opera airing not Easter Friday, but Holy Thursday (and one of the two Thursday operas). However, though Holy Week could be a standard spring break week, that could have been intentional for Reardon's birthday, as they could have easily thought that in 1977, the next time his birthday was a Friday, there wouldn't be any more new episodes).

In that interview that was posted, Betty Aberlin said that they aired some operas on Thursdays so that Jewish kids would be able to watch them if they aired after sundown.  However, this was one of only 2 (and the last) operas that aired on a Thursday.  Maybe they tried Thursday operas, and decided against them in the future.

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But the thing that's surprising is even if they tried it and they didn't work with only 2 operas, the 2 they tried it with are far apart, as there are 2 operas in between those two Thursday operas, which is a lot for trying it.

Reardon's birthday is the most likely scenario.  


And as for 84, I think it's that they wanted it on the 13th, and the only Friday the 13ths in 1968 were in September and December, when there were no debuts and they knew it at the time. Then the next Friday the 13th was in June 1969 when I'm sure they knew there wouldn't be a debut, and then the next was in February 1970, and at time, the show had only been on 4 months, and therefore they didn't know whether it'd still be on in February 1970, or maybe even June 1969.

Why would they care about airing an opera on the 13th?  None of the other operas (except 1300) aired on the 13th.
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4/23 - 4/27/73: 1306 - 1310 (the week on love, which would later become popular and have some of its episodes go to video, debuted Easter week, which I'm sure was intentional)

Wouldn't Valentines Day have made more sense?

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But I was thinking special episodes (such as operas, unlike some years, the 1973 opera wasn't Easter Friday), rather than holiday themed weeks. And in fact, not all holiday themed weeks debuted at the appropriate time of year, such as Superheroes and Giving & Receiving. And as for Valentine's Day, there hadn't been a Valentine's Day episode since 1969, and as it turns out, that after 1969, Valentine's Day is one of the few February days with no debut. And even if by 1973, they thought the show would still have 13-week seasons after 1975, the earliest Valentine's Day episode would be 1977, which was still a few years away. And even if they did have a debut on Valentine's Day 1977, it'd be the season premiere, so most of the week would air after Valentine's Day (although 1661 - 1665 always aired the week containing Valentine's Day when a Monday). And it's also possible that even in 1977, they wouldn't have a Valentine's Day debut, since, as seen since 1971 when it first became a holiday, the season premiere was always President's Day, which makes sense, and President's Day is always after Valentine's Day.

But Superheroes isn't really about Halloween, and Giving and Receiving isn't really about Christmas.  I don't think those holidays are mentioned in either week.  On the other hand, 1261 is about Christmas, and that didn't debut anywhere near Christmas either.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 01:49:40 AM

What they did was swap Grandparents and Creativity.  Notice that week that Creativity aired is the week that Grandparents would have aired if it had aired in its proper position.

First, it's debatable that if they hadn't been switched, either it or Friends aired in its proper position, since though it would follow Pets, Pets was moved to what could be considered an annual occasion time. Second, it's a mystery why they were switched, especially since they're both operas, and one would air at least what could be considered its proper position.

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3/4 - 3/8/85: 1271 - 1285
3/11 - 3/15/85: 1286 - 1290

What you mean is:
3/4 - 3/8: 1271-1275
3/11 - 3/15: 1276-1280
3/18 - 3/22: 1281-1285
3/25 - 3/29: 1286-1290

Yes that was a typo and I corrected it.


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10/28 - 11/1/85: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes) (it was basically switched with 1476 - 1480 (Divorce), as seen in February, for reasons unknown. Maybe it has to do with the fact that 1480 deals with travel, and it aired President's Week when a lot of kids are on vacation, and interestingly enough also that's the week it debuted in 1981. Although that was the last time it aired President's Week. And even without the switch, Divorce would air one week early.

I think it was so that Betty and James's wedding (No and Yes) would air before they adopted Carrie Dell (Families).

Yes, you're right! I didn't think of that, though I have always when I noticed that they've always aired close to each other, with No & Yes first, even when at least one didn't air in its proper position. And in fact, I do know that the farthest apart they've aired is 7 weeks in 2004 (No & Yes March 8 - 12 and Families April 26 - 30), and both times No & Yes was skipped (in 1999 - 2000 and 2006 - 07), I knew it was skipped when I saw the latter was airing (more in 2006 - 07 since in 1999 - 2000 I didn't know the schedule in advance, and there were more proper position weeks.

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12/23 - 12/27/85: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (For this, same explanation as 1984)
12/30/85 - 1/3/86: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
1/6 - 1/10/86: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care) (interestingly enough, both at its annual occasion time and in its proper position!)
1/13 - 1/17/86: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (therefore, switched with 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) for reasons unknown
1/20 - 1/24/86: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (again, though an opera, this isn't the Friday before any holiday, even as minor as Groundhog Day, so this week is a real mystery even though interestingly enough it is the Friday after a holiday)

Again, that is not a mystery at all.  They just swapped Grandparents and Creativity; this is the week Grandparents would have aired in its proper position.  

For this, same comment as 1984.

The real mystery is why Conflict was moved.



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Then comes two other mysterious weeks of airings, and the only known time a pre-79 is airing that's nowhere near proper position pre-79 airings. And it leads to two operas in a row
4/21 - 4/25/86: 1286 - 1290
4/28 - 5/2/86: 1296 - 1300 (an opera, but not the Friday before any holiday. However, with Passover 4/24 - 5/1, the opera would air on the last weekday of a lot of spring breaks)
5/5 - 5/9/86: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations) (this opera would once again be the Friday before Mother's Day)

I think the 2 random weeks were to stall, so that Celebrations wouldn't interrupt in between 1455 and 1456, which maybe after 1979 they realized was a mistake.

That makes total sense, I think then they should have either had Celebrations debut April 28 - May 2, May 19 - 23 (though that'd mean only one wainscoting week in between beige walls, which would be wrong), or July 28 - Aug. 1, just like they moved the work debut to April, when the debut was usually February - March to avoid the long 1076 - 1125 story arc, or not had a debut between February and November. And also it's similar to the much crazier 1376 - 1390 rearing after just a 5-week interval rather than just go from 1375 to 1391. Yes, that'd mean interrupting for the post-75 run between 1425 and 1426, which is really a bad place to interrupt, but they could have easily finagled the schedule similar to what they did in 1988 - 89 (maybe, since 1415/1416 is also a carryover, aired 1391 - 1410 after 1375, then 1421 - 1440 after 1410 (not dissimilar from July 1993), then after the post-75 run aired 1411 - 1420 and then 1441.



Why is 1120/1121 any worse an interruption than 1125/1126?  Because of Prince Tuesday's 1 week birthday party in 1122?  

Yes, and that is pretty major!

I wonder if the 1125 opera is referred to in 1126.

Though even though they're not confirmed, we know there are more random 1125/1126 interruptions, like for the debut of Work, and it's very likely also Superheroes.

Also, Starting School aired earlier than that in 1982.  

Yes you're right. I meant the earliest in a while.

It's possible that maybe the 1985 airing was considered to be a week late.

But even if that's the case, it did air Aug. 18 - 22 in 1980. But if it is the case, they changed their minds about that by 1990.


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9/28 - 10/2/87: 1296 - 1300 (This is to avoid the post-75 run interrupting between 1310 and 1311, which can't be. Though why, when the story arc is 1301 - 1315, not 1296 - 1315, why 1291 - 1295 was the week that was moved and not this week, is a mystery. Maybe in 1301 - 1305, they talk about the opera as being "last week." Also this means this opera would air in the fall, which is appropriate since it's about potato bugs, and it's airing the Friday before (and day of, starting at sundown) a Jewish holiday, Yom Kippur

They would not have intentionally aired an opera for Yom Kippur, since then Jewish kids wouldn't be able to watch it if it aired after sundown.

Although, it being before Daylight Savings Time ended, it probably would never air as late as sundown in most areas. But I'm sure you're right, and a more likely theory is it's appropriate for the fall.


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12/21 - 12/25/87: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (Therefore, the Christmas/New Year's opera amazingly on Christmas Day!)

But that was a waste of a good episode, since few kids would be watching MRN on Christmas, and some stations could preempt MRN.
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But even though it aired in its proper position, it could still have been intentional, since they could have debated about whether to move it and realized that for that reason, they didn't.

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1/4 - 1/8/88: 1511 - 1515 (Games) (Yes, no Daycare & Night Care at its annual occasion time, but only that year because the week that did air was a PBS sweepstakes in which each show must have at least one episode about daycare)

Where did you hear that?

On the yahoo board.


There was the theory that the 4 skipped weeks heavily featured Prince Tuesday and Ana, who are younger than Daniel in these episodes, but approximiately the same age as him as the pre-79s.

You mean the post-75s.

Also, all of the Mr. Allmine weeks were skipped, except 1421-1425 (where he played a character in the opera, rather than his usual Mr. Allmine character).

That makes sense, although he was his usual Mr. Allmine character in all the 1421 - 1424 episodes he was in. Or was he not in any of 1421 - 1424? I can't imagine him not being in any of them. And he was also very front burner in 1336 - 1340, which could easily explain the 1992 post-75 run not starting with 1336.

I also had the theory that the energy crisis was less relevant during the 90s than it was during the the 70s.  And, 1616-1620, from 1990, dealt with environmental topics that were more relevant during the 90s than the energy crisis.

That does make sense.

Maybe they wanted 1425, which is an opera taking place at a beach, to air in the spring rather than the fall.

Yes, and therefore closer to beach season. And interestingly enough, no matter when it aired between 1979 and 1986, it had only one fall airing (in 1977), and amazingly, though the week partially aired in the winter of 1986, the opera itself didn't!


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10/10 - 10/14/88: 1441 - 1445 (the last of the mysterious four weeks to last air, probably to phase out pre-79s)

That week heavily features Prince Tuesday.

And then he's still a baby.

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12/26 - 12/30/88: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (That explanation could maybe be because Ana's birthday episode, 1500, would air on Betty Aberlin's birthday)

That is the most likely reason.  Since this week is entirely after Christmas, it's unlikely that it aired then due to Christmas, unlike 1984 and 1985.  Betty's birthday seems the most likely scenario.  

I still think it makes no sense.

And, 1500 did not air on Betty's birthday in 1994 or 2005 (other years her birthday fell on a Friday).  

Or 1983.

And, they did air 1564 (Henrietta's birthday episode) on Betty's birthday in 2004, but not in 1993 or 1999 (other years her birthday fell on a Thursday).

And that would have been significant for other reasons!

First of all, Josephine has nothing to do with Mother's Day.  

Although there are mothers in it, but that's not what I was thinking. It's no more about Mother's Day than Grandparents or Celebrations (and even in Grandparents, it's more about a grandfather than grandmother). Although there are mothers in both. But what I was thinking it's no more about Mother's Day than 45, 1370, or 1425 is about Easter, or 1505, 1535, and 1565 are about Christmas or New Year's.

Secondly, at the time the schedule was created, they probably didn't realize 1608-1610 would be an opera.  1425, which actually did air the Friday before Mothers Day, has nothing to do with Mother's Day either.

Although there is also a mother in 1425!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 01:57:50 AM
It aired that same week in 1991 and 1992, which is strange, since I didn't think Columbus Day was a holiday where many kids would be travelling by plane.

I think interestingly enough all Monday holidays are, even though not as popular as by car.

Those 3 weeks are real mysteries.  Not sure what you mean by a "sweepstakes".

Some kind of special, which I remember hearing on the yahoo board.

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11/5 - 11/9/90: 1511 - 1515 (Games) (why Friends moved is a mystery, and the week it moved to makes no sense)

Probably since it had recently aired, in August, and they didn't want to air it again so soon.

Your'e right; that theory makes total sense. And interestingly enough, Playthings aired in its proper position not much later.

Yes, and also because holidays such as Thanksgiving can be hard for kids with divorced parents.

That makes total sense. Although I also see that about Christmas, and it never aired anywhere near Christmas.

Remember, the schedules were from Sept. 1 to Aug. 31, roughtly Labor Day to Labor Day.  The previous airing of Fathers and Music was quite a while before Sept. 1.

But that doesn't change what I had to say about Fathers & Music's airings.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 02:07:36 AM

Just a crazy theory that is almost certainly wrong: maybe so that 1473, with pre-79 opera flashbacks, would air on a day that older kids who watched the pre-79s would be home from school.

That theory actually isn't so crazy, but I'm sure it's incorrect.

Maybe since many kids would see their grandparents for Christmas, they wanted to air that week before Christmas.  

And they realized that after 1989 (when it aired in its proper position rather than switch with Work)

Also, maybe to air an opera on the last day of school for most kids.

And that could be the case for 1992, even though it was for fewer kids.

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12/23 - 12/27/91: 1546 - 1550 (Music) (Though in its proper position, this did begin a tradition of almost every year, not always in its proper position, having a week on music and the arts airing on the week containing Christmas Day)

Probably because older kids would be home from school, and the topic of the arts would be of interest to them.

However, I did realize that such a week didn't air out of proper position until 2000.

Another crazy theory (almost certainly wrong): maybe so that an episode about the arts airs the week closest to Betty Aberlin's birthday (Dec. 30), since she has a real passion for the arts.

I really do agree with you that that's wrong. Betty wasn't the only cast member to have a passion for the arts, and no arts episode aired out of proper position on the week of their birthdays. The Christmas theory makes more sense.

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12/30/91 - 1/3/92: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
1/6 - 1/10/92: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/13 - 1/17/92: 1551 - 1555 (Families) (why these last two non-annual occasion weeks were switched is a mystery)

Maybe since Fred considered the topic of adoption to be so important, he wanted to be sure kids would see it, and wanted to avoid airing it a week that kids could be on vacation.

I would think that would be more of a reason to air it when kids were on vacation! Though it's great they realized that by 1992 - 93.


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6/8 - 6/12/92: 1376 - 1380
6/15 - 6/19/92: 1381 - 1385
6/22 - 6/26/92: 1386 - 1390 (why it didn't last air along with 1376 - 1385 when it's one big story arc is beyond me. And this week had three airings after this on its own

Those 3 weeks did air together this year (but not the next 3 years).

That's exactly what I said. I just mentioned it there not because they didn't air together, but because why two were green and one wasn't.


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6/29 - 7/3/92: 1421 - 1425 (Some of the earlier 1975 weeks, like 1361 - 1365 were also moved to the following year for a mysterious reason. Though the opera aired Friday before a holiday, and day off for that holiday!)

Some of the above mysteries could have been so that 1425, which takes place at a beach, would air on the Friday before 4th of July, when many kids would go to a beach.

But kids would go to a beach a lot later in the summer when it would air if the above mysteries didn't happen. I think it's more about the Friday before a holiday tradition.


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7/11 - 7/15/94: 1431 - 1435
7/18 - 7/22/94: 1421 - 1425 (the reason for these two out of order is probably because in order they can't air them in order without 1426 - 1430,

I don't see why not.

Because 1421 - 1435 is one story arc, and yet 1431 - 1435 and 1421 - 1425. What do you mean you don't see why not?

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7/10 - 7/14/95: 1681 - 1685 (Fast & Slow) (and again here, a post-Labor Day debut airing again in the same post-75 run. But again this is to cut down on pre-79s, and the same reason applies to these crazy random airings in the next three weeks, all breaking the Labor Day rule
7/17 - 7/21/95: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
7/24 - 7/28/95: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
7/31 - 8/4/95: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)



I'm guessing they just wanted 3 post-75 from roughly half way through the cycle.

Yes, and as it happens, those were right in the middle of the then-cycle!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
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I've heard of 1969 - 1975 as Seasons 3 - 9, and then from then on, every debut between Labor Days as different seasons, with 33 total, so I don't think the season finale was 65 and the season premiere, 66, even though 1 - 130 did debut back to back.

Where did you hear that?

From different sources. I think some were from the yahoo board and some from Hedda.

How is 115 appropriate for Halloween?  If anything, 116-120 is more appropriate for Halloween.  The description for 115 says:

Mr. Rogers plays in a sand box on his porch. He tries on an Arab robe

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That last part is appropriate for Halloween! And how is 116 - 120 appropriate for Halloween? Please don't give the whole synopsis of the whole week, just mention the Halloween elements.

116-120 is about costumes.  As for the Arab robe: I don't think that was intended as a Halloween costume.

But it's still a costume.

Again, starting with 66 is just completely random.

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No it isn't, since 66 - 130 is considered a season. And even if it weren't, this would fit with both 26 - 130 on 6/30 - 7/4/69, 106 - 110 on 10/20 - 10/24/69, 1169 on 7/12/73, 1370 on 1/17/74, and most importantly, 1451 - 1455 on 2/9 -  2/13/76.

That contradicts what you said above, where you said that even if the 1968 "season" was considered 2 seperate seasons, you agreed that it didn't necessarily start with 66.

I never said it didn't. I said 66 - 130 is considered a season, so it could easily have started with 66.


I'm thinking that in 1970, either the entire 1968 season somehow aired, or (more likely) none of it aired at all.

Why do you think that?

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4/5 - 4/9/71: 1166 - 1170 (an opera airing not Easter Friday, but Holy Thursday (and one of the two Thursday operas). However, though Holy Week could be a standard spring break week, that could have been intentional for Reardon's birthday, as they could have easily thought that in 1977, the next time his birthday was a Friday, there wouldn't be any more new episodes).

In that interview that was posted, Betty Aberlin said that they aired some operas on Thursdays so that Jewish kids would be able to watch them if they aired after sundown.  However, this was one of only 2 (and the last) operas that aired on a Thursday.  Maybe they tried Thursday operas, and decided against them in the future.

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But the thing that's surprising is even if they tried it and they didn't work with only 2 operas, the 2 they tried it with are far apart, as there are 2 operas in between those two Thursday operas, which is a lot for trying it.

Reardon's birthday is the most likely scenario.  


I agree.

And as for 84, I think it's that they wanted it on the 13th, and the only Friday the 13ths in 1968 were in September and December, when there were no debuts and they knew it at the time. Then the next Friday the 13th was in June 1969 when I'm sure they knew there wouldn't be a debut, and then the next was in February 1970, and at time, the show had only been on 4 months, and therefore they didn't know whether it'd still be on in February 1970, or maybe even June 1969.

Why would they care about airing an opera on the 13th?  None of the other operas (except 1300) aired on the 13th.

Because that's what King Friday could have wanted, as it's his name. And I thought I heard that in 1298, they mention the opera would air on Friday the 13th, but I could be wrong.


But Superheroes isn't really about Halloween, and Giving and Receiving isn't really about Christmas.  I don't think those holidays are mentioned in either week.  

They're not. In fact, I've never heard any holiday mentioned in any week, even an annual occasion week. Though since I haven't seen 1306 - 1310 in 25 years and therefore don't remember it, I do wonder if Valentine's Day is mentioned, though I'm guessing not, which makes its debut not at Valentine's Day make even more sense And that contradicts what you said about 115 being appropriate for Halloween, since it's very possible that Halloween is mentioned in 115 when Fred puts on the Arab costume, but that's unlikely, and if anything, it's mentioned in 116 - 120, but I really think that too is unlikely.


On the other hand, 1261 is about Christmas, and that didn't debut anywhere near Christmas either.

I think 1261 is more about Santa Claus than Christmas in general. Although that is the most likely time that Christmas (or any holiday) could have been mentioned. And though it didn't debut anywhere near Christmas, it still debuted in the winter, but a different part of the winter. And as for Christmas airings, the only times it really aired anywhere near Christmas was in 1973 (whether the reruns were according to my theory or the other theory of rerunning the past season 3 times in between seasons), 1978, and most likely 1982, and even 1973 and 1982 wouldn't really be at Christmastime, since Christmas time begins after Thanksgiving and 1973 was before Thanksgiving. However, interestingly enough in 1973, according to both my theories, part of the week aired on and after Thanksgiving, even though 1261 itself didn't!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 30, 2012, 11:24:35 AM
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2/8 - 2/12/71: 1121 - 1125 (This airing has multiple significances. It's an opera airing both on a holiday (Lincoln's Birthday, which was widely observed then), the Friday before a holiday (President's Day, the first year ever it was observed on the third Monday in February rather than Feb. 22 and called President's Day rather than Washington's Birthday), and the Friday before Valentine's Day, it's a romantic opera and one that deals with the color red!)

From the point of view of my personal life, it would be interesting if that date is correct.  I proposed to my wife exactly 39 years later, on Feb. 12, 2010.  And we went to Hawaii for our honeymoon!  (Episode 1125 is an opera that takes place in Hawaii).  Also, my wife has a resemblance to Betty Aberlin, who played a major role in that opera!  Also, coincidentally, our engagement party was on April 24, 2010; the 40th anniversary of the first airing of 1125!

I also forgot to post that my wife was born on Saturday, May 20, 1978, the day after another likely airing of 1125 (meaning, 1125 aired on the weekday closest to her birth).  And, her bridal shower was coincidentally on Aug. 22, 2010; exactly 24 years after another confirmed airing of 1125!  It seems as if these airdates indicate that I was destined to marry a woman who resembles Betty and that we'd go to Hawaii for our honeymoon!  I don't think 1125 ever aired near the date of our wedding and honeymoon, however.  The other amazing thing is that the first time we ever met each other was April 5, 2002; the 48th anniversary of the Children's Corner series premiere!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 30, 2012, 11:27:33 AM
You may want to update your posts, since some of what you posting is showing up as quotes.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 01:47:05 PM
I just did
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 30, 2012, 09:06:43 PM

What they did was swap Grandparents and Creativity.  Notice that week that Creativity aired is the week that Grandparents would have aired if it had aired in its proper position.

First, it's debatable that if they hadn't been switched, either it or Friends aired in its proper position, since though it would follow Pets, Pets was moved to what could be considered an annual occasion time. Second, it's a mystery why they were switched, especially since they're both operas, and one would air at least what could be considered its proper position.

I still think that they felt the topic of grandparents was relevant for Christmas, so they wanted to air it for Christmas week, so they moved Creativity to spread out the operas.  Or maybe they wanted to avoid airing 1502 (where Queen Sara gets injured) on Christmas Eve or Christmas.

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Then comes two other mysterious weeks of airings, and the only known time a pre-79 is airing that's nowhere near proper position pre-79 airings. And it leads to two operas in a row
4/21 - 4/25/86: 1286 - 1290
4/28 - 5/2/86: 1296 - 1300 (an opera, but not the Friday before any holiday. However, with Passover 4/24 - 5/1, the opera would air on the last weekday of a lot of spring breaks)
5/5 - 5/9/86: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations) (this opera would once again be the Friday before Mother's Day)

I think the 2 random weeks were to stall, so that Celebrations wouldn't interrupt in between 1455 and 1456, which maybe after 1979 they realized was a mistake.

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That makes total sense, I think then they should have either had Celebrations debut April 28 - May 2, May 19 - 23 (though that'd mean only one wainscoting week in between beige walls, which would be wrong), or July 28 - Aug. 1, just like they moved the work debut to April, when the debut was usually February - March to avoid the long 1076 - 1125 story arc, or not had a debut between February and November. And also it's similar to the much crazier 1376 - 1390 rearing after just a 5-week interval rather than just go from 1375 to 1391. Yes, that'd mean interrupting for the post-75 run between 1425 and 1426, which is really a bad place to interrupt, but they could have easily finagled the schedule similar to what they did in 1988 - 89 (maybe, since 1415/1416 is also a carryover, aired 1391 - 1410 after 1375, then 1421 - 1440 after 1410 (not dissimilar from July 1993), then after the post-75 run aired 1411 - 1420 and then 1441.

It seems that, for whatever reason, they wanted the May debut to be during the first week of May (except in 1985).

Also, all of the Mr. Allmine weeks were skipped, except 1421-1425 (where he played a character in the opera, rather than his usual Mr. Allmine character).

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That makes sense, although he was his usual Mr. Allmine character in all the 1421 - 1424 episodes he was in. Or was he not in any of 1421 - 1424? I can't imagine him not being in any of them. And he was also very front burner in 1336 - 1340, which could easily explain the 1992 post-75 run not starting with 1336.

I don't think he stole anything; he was no different than Reardon or Yoshi Ito or anyone else who appeared only for operas.

Also, remember, 1336 maybe has the Tomorrow song.

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12/26 - 12/30/88: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (That explanation could maybe be because Ana's birthday episode, 1500, would air on Betty Aberlin's birthday)

That is the most likely reason.  Since this week is entirely after Christmas, it's unlikely that it aired then due to Christmas, unlike 1984 and 1985.  Betty's birthday seems the most likely scenario.  

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I still think it makes no sense.

And, 1500 did not air on Betty's birthday in 1994 or 2005 (other years her birthday fell on a Friday).  

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Or 1983.

And, they did air 1564 (Henrietta's birthday episode) on Betty's birthday in 2004, but not in 1993 or 1999 (other years her birthday fell on a Thursday).

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And that would have been significant for other reasons!

How so?

First of all, Josephine has nothing to do with Mother's Day.  

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Although there are mothers in it, but that's not what I was thinking. It's no more about Mother's Day than Grandparents or Celebrations (and even in Grandparents, it's more about a grandfather than grandmother).

But kids might see their grandparents for Mothers Day.  And Mothers Day is a celebration.  But the first week of May debuts I don't think had anything to do with Mothers Day.

Secondly, at the time the schedule was created, they probably didn't realize 1608-1610 would be an opera.  1425, which actually did air the Friday before Mothers Day, has nothing to do with Mother's Day either.

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Although there is also a mother in 1425!

But she wasn't a major character.  The 4 main characters in 1425 were Betty (Lady Aberlin), Mr. Swan (Reardon), Loyd (Mr. Allmine), and the witch (Lady Elaine), none of whom were a mother in that opera.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 30, 2012, 09:11:06 PM
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12/31/79 - 1/4/80: 1101 - 1105 (appropriately, the episode about death would air when kids don't have school, and a lot of people don't have work since some offices are closed the week b between Christmas and New Year's, and for those that don't, it'd mean a broken 4-day weekend otherwise)

I really don't think that New Years Eve, a fun, happy holiday, is the right time to air 1101, an episode about death.

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But it could be appropriate because it's a time that kids are home from school and parents are home from work. In fact that's why Sesame Street episode 1839, which also deals with death, aired on Thanksgiving, which is also a fun, happy holiday.

And I've always thought that was a lousy time to have aired it.

Interestingly, on the day that Sesame Street episode 1839 aired, MRN episode 1454, the Festival of Rememberance, aired.  That seems appropriate!

I won't comment any further on the 1979-84 schedules, since they are just speculation, and we have so many conflicting sources.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 30, 2012, 09:20:12 PM
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12/23 - 12/27/91: 1546 - 1550 (Music) (Though in its proper position, this did begin a tradition of almost every year, not always in its proper position, having a week on music and the arts airing on the week containing Christmas Day)

Probably because older kids would be home from school, and the topic of the arts would be of interest to them.

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However, I did realize that such a week didn't air out of proper position until 2000.

Another crazy theory (almost certainly wrong): maybe so that an episode about the arts airs the week closest to Betty Aberlin's birthday (Dec. 30), since she has a real passion for the arts.

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I really do agree with you that that's wrong. Betty wasn't the only cast member to have a passion for the arts, and no arts episode aired out of proper position on the week of their birthdays. The Christmas theory makes more sense.

True, although Betty had at least 2 birthday episodes air on her birthday (in 1988 and 2004), but no other cast member (except Fred, in 1992 and 1998) did.

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12/30/91 - 1/3/92: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
1/6 - 1/10/92: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/13 - 1/17/92: 1551 - 1555 (Families) (why these last two non-annual occasion weeks were switched is a mystery)

Maybe since Fred considered the topic of adoption to be so important, he wanted to be sure kids would see it, and wanted to avoid airing it a week that kids could be on vacation.

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I would think that would be more of a reason to air it when kids were on vacation! Though it's great they realized that by 1992 - 93.

But when kids are on vacation, they'll probably be doing other things besides watching MRN.  And, if they are travelling internationally or are on a cruise (although, cruises weren't as popular then as they are now), they won't even have access to MRN.

Some of the above mysteries could have been so that 1425, which takes place at a beach, would air on the Friday before 4th of July, when many kids would go to a beach.

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But kids would go to a beach a lot later in the summer when it would air if the above mysteries didn't happen. I think it's more about the Friday before a holiday tradition.

But 4th of July is probably the holiday that is most associated with the beach.

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7/11 - 7/15/94: 1431 - 1435
7/18 - 7/22/94: 1421 - 1425 (the reason for these two out of order is probably because in order they can't air them in order without 1426 - 1430,

I don't see why not.

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Because 1421 - 1435 is one story arc, and yet 1431 - 1435 and 1421 - 1425. What do you mean you don't see why not?

1421-1425 is the week of the Key to Otherland opera, which Reardon is in.  In 1426-1430, King Friday bans travel, so that Reardon cannot leave.  But in 1431-1435, that ban is lifted.  Obviously, they had no problem airing 1431-1435 without 1426-1430.  Since there is nothing in 1421-1425 to suggest that King Friday would ban travel, 1426-1430 doesn't have to air either.  So if they decided that 1421-1425 and 1431-1435 could air independently, I see no reason why 1431-1435 had to air first.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 30, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
Also, although there are several times where an opera aired the Friday before a holiday, or the Friday after Easter, I honestly think those were just coincidence, since there are many times that operas did not air the Friday before a holiday or the Friday after Easter.  And many of them (such as 1300 in 1985, and 1125 in 1989) were clearly just coincidence.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
The other amazing thing is that the first time we ever met each other was April 5, 2002; the 48th anniversary of the Children's Corner series premiere!


And that's also the day after the anniversary of 1425's debut, and that opera has a lot of similarities to 1125, apart from 3 of the 4 digits, since both take place at the beach and on the ocean! So therefore this means that anniversaries, and the day before and after for your wife are significant when it comes to two similar operas! Can you think of other 1425 airings that have such milestones for your wife?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 10:21:07 PM
I still think that they felt the topic of grandparents was relevant for Christmas, so they wanted to air it for Christmas week, so they moved Creativity to spread out the operas.  

That makes sense.

Or maybe they wanted to avoid airing 1502 (where Queen Sara gets injured) on Christmas Eve or Christmas.

Although that might be a good episode for Christmas Eve or Christmas, since like SS episode 1839, it'd be a good episode to air on a holiday because parents could help kids with that topic. So maybe the grandparents theory makes more sense.

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Then comes two other mysterious weeks of airings, and the only known time a pre-79 is airing that's nowhere near proper position pre-79 airings. And it leads to two operas in a row
4/21 - 4/25/86: 1286 - 1290
4/28 - 5/2/86: 1296 - 1300 (an opera, but not the Friday before any holiday. However, with Passover 4/24 - 5/1, the opera would air on the last weekday of a lot of spring breaks)
5/5 - 5/9/86: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations) (this opera would once again be the Friday before Mother's Day)

It seems that, for whatever reason, they wanted the May debut to be during the first week of May (except in 1985).

But even though in 1985 it still was in May (and it would still affect 1451 - 1030 if it had been that same week in 1986), they could easily have not had the May debut that year, just 1984 was one of only three years (the others being 1990 and 2001, interestingly enough three consecutive years with March 1 - December 31 on the same day of the week) not to have a February or March debut, and the May debut tradition lasted so much less than the February/March, and they'd had February/March for two more years when Work debuted than they had May when Celebrations debuted.

Also, all of the Mr. Allmine weeks were skipped, except 1421-1425 (where he played a character in the opera, rather than his usual Mr. Allmine character).

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That makes sense, although he was his usual Mr. Allmine character in all the 1421 - 1424 episodes he was in. Or was he not in any of 1421 - 1424? I can't imagine him not being in any of them. And he was also very front burner in 1336 - 1340, which could easily explain the 1992 post-75 run not starting with 1336.

I don't think he stole anything;

I never mentioned him stealing anything. Where did you ever get the idea that I mentioned that in this post?

he was no different than Reardon or Yoshi Ito or anyone else who appeared only for operas.

Did Yoshi Ito appear only for operas?  know she debuted in 1154, which isn't an opera. And assuming 1154 was her only non-opera appearance, I do have vague memories from pre-79s when they were airing and when I was watching, and I wouldn't have those memories if she were only in 6 or fewer episodes.  And amazingly I had no memories of Mr. Allmine from when I first saw 1425 at the Paley Center long after 1994, even from having seen all of 1421 - 1424 in 1994.

Also, remember, 1336 maybe has the Tomorrow song.

And even if that's the case, since I know that 1336 - 1340 doesn't carry over to 1341 - 1345 which doesn't carry over to 1346 - 1350, why didn't they start at 1341 or 1346 in 1992?


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12/26 - 12/30/88: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (That explanation could maybe be because Ana's birthday episode, 1500, would air on Betty Aberlin's birthday)

That is the most likely reason.  Since this week is entirely after Christmas, it's unlikely that it aired then due to Christmas, unlike 1984 and 1985.  Betty's birthday seems the most likely scenario.  

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I still think it makes no sense.


And, they did air 1564 (Henrietta's birthday episode) on Betty's birthday in 2004, but not in 1993 or 1999 (other years her birthday fell on a Thursday).

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And that would have been significant for other reasons!

How so?

Because it'd mean the opera the Friday before a holiday!



But the first week of May debuts I don't think had anything to do with Mothers Day.

Probably not, as proven in 1989, as well as 1985 when it was moved.





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Although there is also a mother in 1425!

But she wasn't a major character.  The 4 main characters in 1425 were Betty (Lady Aberlin), Mr. Swan (Reardon), Loyd (Mr. Allmine), and the witch (Lady Elaine), none of whom were a mother in that opera.

I know; I was just making a point. It could just have been to follow the tradition of the Friday before a holiday.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 10:26:07 PM

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12/31/79 - 1/4/80: 1101 - 1105 (appropriately, the episode about death would air when kids don't have school, and a lot of people don't have work since some offices are closed the week b between Christmas and New Year's, and for those that don't, it'd mean a broken 4-day weekend otherwise)

I really don't think that New Years Eve, a fun, happy holiday, is the right time to air 1101, an episode about death.

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But it could be appropriate because it's a time that kids are home from school and parents are home from work. In fact that's why Sesame Street episode 1839, which also deals with death, aired on Thanksgiving, which is also a fun, happy holiday.

And I've always thought that was a lousy time to have aired it.

I disagree.

Interestingly, on the day that Sesame Street episode 1839 aired, MRN episode 1454, the Festival of Rememberance, aired.  That seems appropriate!

How so, do you think?

Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 10:28:04 PM
I won't comment any further on the 1979-84 schedules, since they are just speculation, and we have so many conflicting sources.

I still wouldn't mind hearing further comments, but if you insist,  you don't have to post them.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 10:43:03 PM


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I really do agree with you that that's wrong. Betty wasn't the only cast member to have a passion for the arts, and no arts episode aired out of proper position on the week of their birthdays. The Christmas theory makes more sense.

True, although Betty had at least 2 birthday episodes air on her birthday (in 1988 and 2004), but no other cast member (except Fred, in 1992 and 1998) did.

But I really think that for at least 2004, it was coincidence, since for 2004, there was another significance behind that week's airing. And though 1992 and 1998 were the only times Fred's birthday episode aired on his birthday itself, and in 1992, it was in its proper position, the whole week became an annual occasion week for his birthday, while neither Pets nor Celebrations was ever an annual occasion week for Betty's.

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12/30/91 - 1/3/92: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
1/6 - 1/10/92: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
1/13 - 1/17/92: 1551 - 1555 (Families) (why these last two non-annual occasion weeks were switched is a mystery)

Maybe since Fred considered the topic of adoption to be so important, he wanted to be sure kids would see it, and wanted to avoid airing it a week that kids could be on vacation.

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I would think that would be more of a reason to air it when kids were on vacation! Though it's great they realized that by 1992 - 93.

But when kids are on vacation, they'll probably be doing other things besides watching MRN.  And, if they are travelling internationally or are on a cruise (although, cruises weren't as popular then as they are now), they won't even have access to MRN.

But still, if they're traveling in the US, they could still watch MRN on their vacation, and for those who didn't travel (or didn't travel out of the US), they'd have more time for MRN, since of course it aired on many stations during school hours.



Some of the above mysteries could have been so that 1425, which takes place at a beach, would air on the Friday before 4th of July, when many kids would go to a beach.

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But kids would go to a beach a lot later in the summer when it would air if the above mysteries didn't happen. I think it's more about the Friday before a holiday tradition.

But 4th of July is probably the holiday that is most associated with the beach.

Memorial Day and Labor Day though are just as much. But I think the whole summer is, and it's more that they wanted to follow the tradition of airing operas the Friday (or day of) a holiday, and they appropriately chose one that's most appropriate with the time of year.

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7/11 - 7/15/94: 1431 - 1435
7/18 - 7/22/94: 1421 - 1425 (the reason for these two out of order is probably because in order they can't air them in order without 1426 - 1430,

I don't see why not.

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Because 1421 - 1435 is one story arc, and yet 1431 - 1435 and 1421 - 1425. What do you mean you don't see why not?

1421-1425 is the week of the Key to Otherland opera, which Reardon is in.  In 1426-1430, King Friday bans travel, so that Reardon cannot leave.  But in 1431-1435, that ban is lifted.  Obviously, they had no problem airing 1431-1435 without 1426-1430.  Since there is nothing in 1421-1425 to suggest that King Friday would ban travel, 1426-1430 doesn't have to air either.  So if they decided that 1421-1425 and 1431-1435 could air independently, I see no reason why 1431-1435 had to air first.

Though there still could have been some 1426 - 1430 references in both 1421 - 1424 and 1431 - 1435, and they could have felt like if 1431 - 1435 aired first, they wouldn't be thinking of 1426 - 1430 as much if they'd realized that 1421 - 1425 had just aired and realized there was a week missing.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 30, 2012, 10:45:05 PM
Also, although there are several times where an opera aired the Friday before a holiday, or the Friday after Easter, I honestly think those were just coincidence, since there are many times that operas did not air the Friday before a holiday or the Friday after Easter.  And many of them (such as 1300 in 1985, and 1125 in 1989) were clearly just coincidence.

And 1300 in 1977, and others. But it still could have been a tradition that was just not followed all the time.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 31, 2012, 12:41:56 AM
Since Tim wants us to cut down on the quoting, I'll respond to your general ideas here:

Why I think it's a lousy idea to air a sad episode on a happy holiday: First of all, people want to enjoy those holidays, and not deal with something sad.  Also, kids will likely see their grandparents on those holidays, and they probably don't want to talk about death.  They may have had a spouse, other relatives, or friends who have died, and may even be dealing with their own mortality.

Festival of Rememberance (Episode 1454) airing on the same day as the Sesame Street Mr. Hooper death episode: when someone dies, you want to think of memories of them from the past.

Why I don't want to comment further on the 1979-1984 schedule: there are so many conflicting sources, all anyone can do is to judge which ones they beleive and which ones they don't.  We're not likely to ever get a confirmed schedule for that period, so all we can do is speculate.  I honestly don't think your schedule is 100% correct, but to be honest, I do not have any better theories.

About 1261-1265 rerunning Thanksgiving week in 1973, even though you thought the Christmas season starts the following week: Keep in mind that kids will see Santa at the Macy's Thanksgiving parade on Thanksgiving, so they'd want that episode to air before Thanksgiving, not after.

About kids watching MRN during vacation weeks: First of all, they are travelling for a vacation, they are likely doing other things, not watching MRN.  I never watched MRN when I was on vacation; and I'm someone who often watched MRN 3 times a day when I was at home!  Secondly, if people are visiting family, probably not all family members will want to watch MRN, and it could be seen as rude for a kid to be watching MRN when he/she should be socializing with their family.  Thirdly, some PBS stations may pre-empt MRN on certain holidays.  I remmeber on the Yahoo board, someone said that his PBS station always pre-empted MRN on Thanksgiving, which (since it always falls on Thursday) meant that after 1992, the next time that 1539 aired on that station was in 2006!  And that station probably missed the debuts of 1539, 1554, 1569, 1584, 1599, 1614, 1629, 1644, and 1659.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 31, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
Since Tim wants us to cut down on the quoting

I hope he's okay with a little quoting. I haven't been doing it nearly as much as you, and I wot quote everything and not do so much quotes within quotes, but despite all that Tim, if you insist, I'll stop. But for now, I'll continue until I hear otherwise.

Festival of Rememberance (Episode 1454) airing on the same day as the Sesame Street Mr. Hooper death episode: when someone dies, you want to think of memories of them from the past.

That makes sense!

I understand about 1979 - 84, but would love your theories as to why certain parts are incorrect.

About 1261-1265 rerunning Thanksgiving week in 1973, even though you thought the Christmas season starts the following week:

Not the following week, but later in the week and after the Santa episode.

Keep in mind that kids will see Santa at the Macy's Thanksgiving parade on Thanksgiving, so they'd want that episode to air before Thanksgiving, not after.


However, though the Macy's Thanksgiving parade is popular, it's not like it's among the biggest things for kids on Thanksgiving, and Santa is just one of many floats at the parade, and not more signature than certain others, and kids need preparation for that in advance.

And what you said about MRN and vacations may be true, but that doesn't exclude what I said about with kids home from school and MRN on during school hours, they'd have more time. So maybe if anything, whether signature episodes and episodes with heavy topics should be on during vacation hours is debatable. And as for MRN not being on holidays as opposed to when kids are home from school, it's really the holidays themselves that MRN is preempted, Christmas and New Year's, and maybe Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.  No school is open on any day from Dec. 24 - Jan. 1 (and Dec. 23 when Christmas is a Wednesday and Jan. 2 when Christmas is a Thursday or Sunday) and for many schools but not all, the few days before or after, and the only days with preemptions are Christmas Day, New Year's Day, and maybe Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve, while none would preempt on Dec. 26 - 30, Dec. 23 when a Monday, or Jan. 2 when a Monday or Friday, or any other day for Christmas or New Year's, and if Families weren't switched with Making & Creating in 1991 - 92, I couldn't see 1551, 1554, or 1555 preempted on any station, and 1551 is the only one of those that would air when all schools were on vacation. And in 1992 - 93, I couldn't see 1551 - 1553 preempted on any station, and they all aired when all schools were on vacation.


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I remmeber on the Yahoo board, someone said that his PBS station always pre-empted MRN on Thanksgiving, which (since it always falls on Thursday) meant that after 1992, the next time that 1539 aired on that station was in 2006! 

Although, especially in 1993 and soon after, that station could have re-aired the previous weekday's episode one or two weekdays later, or the following week, or over the weekend. Or do you happen to know for sure that station didn't?

And that station probably missed the debuts of 1539, 1554, 1569, 1584, 1599, 1614, 1629, 1644, and 1659.

Although, in such an airing that I described above, especially in the earlier of those years, those debuts would have aired soon after if the answer to the above question is indeed no. And if that's the case, then 1539 would have aired only 9 times on that station! (After the 2006 airing at a time other than Thanksgiving, it aired Thanksgiving again in 2007, and then July 10, 2008 and that was it.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 31, 2012, 10:32:54 PM
Another theory as to why 1431-1435 aired before 1421-1425 in 1994; maybe originally, one of the earlier 1975 season weeks was scheduled for July 11-15.  Maybe even one of the weeks that didn't air the previous year.  And maybe, for whatever reason, that week was pulled from the schedule at the last minute, and replaced with 1431-1435.

By the way, you should also post the schedules for when MRN aired on Saturdays from 9/5/09 through at least 9/1/12.  Probably very few people kept track of them, and I'd be curious to see them.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 31, 2012, 10:56:35 PM
Another theory as to why 1431-1435 aired before 1421-1425 in 1994; maybe originally, one of the earlier 1975 season weeks was scheduled for July 11-15.  Maybe even one of the weeks that didn't air the previous year.  And maybe, for whatever reason, that week was pulled from the schedule at the last minute, and replaced with 1431-1435.

If that's the case, then they should have also pulled 1421 - 1425 and aired two consecutive weeks before 1436, maybe for instance1391 - 1400, 1401 - 1410, 1411 - 1420.

By the way, you should also post the schedules for when MRN aired on Saturdays from 9/5/09 through at least 9/1/12.  Probably very few people kept track of them, and I'd be curious to see them.

Maybe I will.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 31, 2012, 11:05:55 PM

If that's the case, then they should have also pulled 1421 - 1425 and aired two consecutive weeks before 1436, maybe for instance1391 - 1400, 1401 - 1410, 1411 - 1420.

Why would they pull 1421-1425 from the schedule?  1425 was one of the best episodes of the series.  What I meant was, they probably didn't want to move any other weeks around, so they just substituted 1431-1435 for whatever was scheduled for July 11-15 (either 1391-1395, 1396-1400, 1401-1405, 1406-1410, 1411-1415, or 1416-1420).
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on May 31, 2012, 11:57:59 PM
I know; I was thinking that if they just had to air 1431 - 1435, they sadly couldn't air it without 1421 - 1425 or vice versa. But you're right, a 1391 - 1420 week would have made more sense with 1421 - 1425.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 01, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
By the way, the Fred Rogers Center catalog has some schedule info going all the way back to the start of the series.  Unfortunately, I can't access it.  Some of it is available online, but is password protected.  I guess I'm not worthy of being given a password.  Some of it is only available on site.  Maybe if anyone here (maybe Tim?) does have a password, maybe they can check some of it out.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 01, 2012, 04:31:09 PM
By the way, the Fred Rogers Center catalog has some schedule info going all the way back to the start of the series.  Unfortunately, I can't access it.  Some of it is available online, but is password protected.  I guess I'm not worthy of being given a password. 

WHAT!!!!!! That is really unfair!!!!!!!!

Some of it is only available on site.  Maybe if anyone here (maybe Tim?) does have a password, maybe they can check some of it out.


Or what about Betty? Or maybe I'll e-mail Hedda about it Monday.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on June 01, 2012, 05:29:27 PM
I've been away from here for a week or so but found this tiday and find it interesting and insightful. A few things that I find interesting is the black and whites still airing after the debut of 1001 as I was under the impression they never aired after that although while 1-65 and 66-130 may or my not be sseperate seasons perhaps having two sets of 65 episodes like other season may have been a factor. Also, if the 4 weeks last aired in 1978 as he believes, why would they have decided not to air them by 1979, what would have changed, I know we've discussed possible reasons but wonder why they'd be an issue then. Also, on a youtube clip in another thread I with coloboration from an old microfilm tv listing found 1311-1315 airing February 14-18, 1983 which as mentioned wouldn't make sense to interupt the story arc for Games debut although perhaps they aired an afternoon airing a few weeks behind. Also, I find it intersting they'd only air the first half of 1969 in late 1983 and not the second half. Also, similar to airing the wedding week before Carrie Dell's adoption week it made sense to air Grandparents before Fathers and Music as in Grandparents Fred says he isn't a grandfather yet and in Fathers and Music his grandson appears. Also, Celebratins worked well out so that his birthday celebration episode aired on his 70th birthday in 1998.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 01, 2012, 05:47:08 PM
Now to go on with the schedule:
Part 7: 8/14/95 - 8/29/97 (last of the post-75s before weeks were skipped):
8/14 - 8/18/95: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School) (interesting that the first post-75 aired immediately after pre-79s last aired)
8/21 - 8/25/95: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe
8/28 - 9/1/95: 1686 - 1690 (Everybody's Special)
9/4 - 9/8/95: 1651 - 1655 (Learning)
9/11 - 9/15/95: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
9/18 - 9/22/95: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
9/25 - 9/29/95: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
10/2 - 10/6/95: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (Friday before a holiday! Also Friday after Yom Kippur, but the Friday before a holiday is more likely since it is a past followed tradition and it makes more sense)
10/9 - 10/13/95: 1491 - 1495 (Pets)
10/16 - 10/20/95: 1691 - 1695 (Mad Feelings) (first and only debut, pre-79 or post-75, in October, because this week (week of third Monday in October) because it was some kind of day or week related to madness
10/23 - 10/27/95: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
10/30 - 11/3/95: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
11/6 - 11/10/95: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (so these last two weeks were switched again this year, even though, unlike the past 2 years, the opera would still air in November. Maybe for whatever reason, they wanted the November tradition to never air November 3 or before, and that decision was made after 1990 when 1505 aired Nov. 2.
11/13 - 11/17/95: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
11/20 - 11/24/95: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
Now for the first time ever, for some mysterious reason, the post-75 run wasn't all in order, starting with the earliest and going to the latest, and it never was that way again.
11/27 - 12/1/95: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music)
12/4 - 12/8/95: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
12/11 - 12/15/95: 1631 - 1635 (Growing)
12/18 - 12/22/95: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up)
12/25 - 12/29/95: 1641 - 1645 (Art) (So the music and the arts tradition on the week containing Christmas continued, but even though it was a different week, it was still in its proper position. And also, with no opera this week or the previous week, this was the first time since 1983 there was no Christmas/New Year's opera, although maybe it wasn't completely broken since 1640 is a play)
1/1 - 1/5/96: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work) (So since When Parents Go to Work is, like Daycare & Night Care, a week that has to do with daycare, that's when the New Year's daycare week changed)
1/8 - 1/12/96: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends)
1/15 - 1/19/96: 1656 - 1660 (Up & Down) (so since Learning didn't have a second airing in its proper position, that proves that in the previous two years it was to phase out the pre-79s)
1/22 - 1/26/96: 1666 - 1670 (Then & Now)
1/29 - 2/2/96: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear)
2/5 - 2/9/96: 1676 - 1680 (Going Away & Coming Back)
2/12 - 2/16/96: 1661 - 1665 (Love)
2/19 - 2/23/96 : 1696 - 1700 (Transformations)
2/26 - 3/1/96: 1681 - 1695 (Fast & Slow)
3/4 - 3/8/96: 1686 - 1690 (Everybody's Special)
3/11 - 3/11/96: 1691 - 1695 (Mad Feelings) (that broke the Labor Day rule probably since they really didn't want pre-79s to air anymore)
3/18 - 3/22/96: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets)
Then the post-75 run picked up right where it left off on November 3
3/25 - 3/29/96: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
4/1 - 4/5/96: 1521 - 1525 (Conflict) (that's the one post-75 that had a last airing long before weekday episodes were ending, since that week was banned because with a lot of then-recent disasters that killed people (such as the Oklahoma City bombing, Waco, and the war in Iraq), they realized a week on war could scare kids, which I think is crazy and in fact more of a reason to air it.
4/8 - 4/12/96: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
4/15 - 4/19/96: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment)
4/22 - 4/26/96: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents)
4/29 - 5/3/96: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
5/6 - 5/10/96: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
5/13 - 5/17/96: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
5/20 - 5/24/96: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
5/27 - 5/31/96: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations)
6/3 - 6/7/96: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
6/10 - 6/14/96: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
6/17 - 6/21/96: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
6/24 - 6/28/96: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
7/1 - 7/5/96: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime) (Russian visit on a holiday, which though is in its proper position, could be appropriate! And it does prove my theory of Holy Week being the reason why it was moved in 1993)
7/8 - 7/12/96: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
7/15 - 7/19/96: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)

7/22 - 7/26: 1701 - 1705 (Helping)
7/29 - 8/2/96: 1686 - 1690 (Everybody's Special) (the reason for this is on Hedda's schedules, the debut was scheduled for 7/29 - 8/2, and Transformations the week before, though I remember watching these two weeks in this order very well. I wonder why the debut was pushed up one week, and though a week had to have broken the Labor Day rule, why not  Transformations as originally scheduled, since Everybody's Special had aired later than Transformations, even by only two weeks, and it had aired twice already while Transformations had only aired once. Also, notice Helping is the one debut, pre-79 or post-75, that isn't bold!

8/5 - 8/9/96: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe)
8/12 - 8/16/96: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care) (and instead of being the New Year's daycare week, it became one of the back to school weeks, which I think makes much more sense)
8/19 - 8/23/96: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/26 - 8/30/96: 1706 - 1710 (Brave & Strong)
This ends the period of episodes posted on the website, so from here on, no matter how much work you do to look at those schedules, this is the only place to see schedule info.
9/2 - 9/6/96: 1651 - 1655 (Learning)
9/9 - 9/13/96: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
9/16 - 9/20/96: 1561 - 1565 (Friday before Yom Kippur, but I don't think that had anything to do with it, especially since it was in its proper position)
9/23 - 9/27/96: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
9/30 - 10/4/96: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
10/7 - 10/11/96: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes) (John Costa died the day 1580 aired)
10/14 - 10/18/96: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
10/21 - 10/25/96: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
10/28 - 11/1/96: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
11/4 - 11/8/96: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
11/11 - 11/15/96: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets) (So for the first and only time since 1990, it aired in its proper position and not at its annual occasion time, and the reason why is a mystery)
11/18 - 11/22/96: 1691 - 1695 (Mad Feelings) (why this week is a mystery. And this means that Divorce would only air before Thanksgiving if early weeks were airing then)
11/25 - 11/29/96: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
12/2 - 12/6/96: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music) (why Fun & Games was moved is a mystery. But it did make Fathers & Music air the week after Thanksgiving, just like the previous year)
12/9 - 12/13/96: 1631 - 1635 (Growing) (why Mouths & Feelings was moved is a mystery. But it does make, from here, except for debuts, the schedule identical to the previous year)
12/16 - 12/20/96: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up) (again, one could say Christmas/New Year's entertainment tradition still followed with the play in 1640)
12/23 - 12/27/96: 1641 - 1645 (Art) (music/art on week containing Christmas Day followed again but in its proper position)
12/30/96 - 1/3/97: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
1/6 - 1/10/97: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends)
1/13 - 1/17/97: 1656 - 1660 (Up & Down)
1/20 - 1/24/97: 1666 - 1670 (Then & Now)
1/27 - 1/31/97: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear)
2/3 - 2/7/97: 1676 - 1680 (Going Away & Coming Back)
2/10 - 2/14/97: 1661 - 1665 (Love)
2/17 - 2/17/97: 1711 - 1715 (Sharing)
2/24 - 2/28/97: 1681 - 1685 (Fast & Slow)
3/3 - 3/7/97: 1686 - 1690 (Everybody's Special)
3/10 - 3/14/97: 1696 - 1700 (Transformations)
3/17 - 3/21/97: 1701 - 1705 (Helping)
3/24 - 3/28/97: 1706 - 1710 (Brave & Strong)
3/31 - 4/4/97: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
4/7 - 4/11/97: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games) (So therefore, these past two weeks were when the weeks moved to allow both the week after Thanksgiving to be the same as the previous year, and subsequent weeks 52 weeks apart)
4/14 - 4/18/97: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment)
4/21 - 4/25/97: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (so this is when it went back to the beginning after going to the end, and the opera would air during Passover)
4/28 - 5/2/97: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
5/5 - 5/9/97: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
5/12 - 5/16/97: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline) (with the thought that there was going to be more than 52 weeks of non-Conflict post-75s, Play was going to be skipped in this post-75 run, except for Starting School in 1989, the first such week (and I'll explain why it wasn't when we get to when it aired), and there they were going to start skipping weeks in a Labor Day - Labor Day post-75 run, and then air them again the following such post-75 run but not before certain other weeks aired. (for instance, Games was skipped in the 1997 - 98 one but not Friends (it never was), but Games didn't air until the next one, at some point after Labor Day. I'll explain exactly when when we get to those airings)
5/19 - 5/23/97: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
5/26 - 5/30/97: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity)
6/2 - 6/6/97: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
6/9 - 6/13/97: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
6/16 - 6/20/97: 1526 - 1530 (Work)
6/23 - 6/27/97: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents)
6/30 - 7/4/97: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
7/7 - 7/11/97: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
7/14 - 7/18/97: 1551 - 1555
7/21 - 7/25/97: 1711 - 1715 (Sharing)

7/28 - 8/1/97: 1486 - 1490 (Play) (So this is when it ended up airing, according only to my memory, instead of a debut, as was on Hedda's schedules, and a debut aired that same week for the next 2 years afterwards, and the reason why the debut was canceled was probably because of Costa's death and the time they spent mourning and replacing him. Though the other mystery is, with there being exactly 52 weeks of post-75s other than Conflict by Labor Day, why Sharing had to break the Labor Day rule (at least as originally scheduled) rather than originally schedule Play for that week instead followed by the originally scheduled debut)
8/4 - 8/8/97: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe)
8/11 - 8/15/97: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
8/18 - 8/22/97: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/25 - 8/29/97: 1716 - 1720 (Be Yourself: That's the Best) (the reason why 1716 - 1720 is underlined is because with the episodes with those numbers scheduled to debut 7/28 - 8/1, this was originally scheduled to be 1721 - 1725.

Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 01, 2012, 05:49:18 PM
Part 8: 9/1/97 - 8/31/01 (the post-75 runs with skipped weeks while there were still new episodes)

9/1 - 9/5/97: 1651 - 1655 (Learning)
Then this post-75 run, at least up until what's chronologically the end, is almost identical to the year before.
9/8 - 9/12/97: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
9/15 - 9/19/97: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations)
9/22 - 9/26/97: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
9/29 - 10/3/97: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
10/6 - 10/10/97: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
10/13 - 10/17/97: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
10/20 - 10/24/97: 1691 - 1695 (Mad Feelings) (So starting then, it became an annual occasion week for that mad week)
10/27 - 10/31/97: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
11/3 - 11/7/97: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
11/10 - 11/14/97: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
11/17 - 11/21/97: 1701 - 1705 (Helping) (Since Helping aired in its proper position at Secrets's annual occasion time the year before, it was then switched with Secrets probably both so it could air it its annual occasion time and the whole schedule could be almost identical to the year before)
11/24 - 11/28/97: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
12/1 - 12/5/97: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music) (Fun & Games was probably moved to keep the schedule identical to the year before)
12/8 - 12/12/97: 1631 - 1635 (Growing) (Mouths & Feelings was probably moved to keep the schedule identical to the year before)
12/15 - 12/19/97: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up) (again with the play in 1640 keeping up the Christmas/New Year's entertainment tradition)
12/22 - 12/26/97: 1641 - 1645 (Art) (again the music/arts on the week containing Christmas Day tradition but in its proper position)
12/29/97 - 1/2/98: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
1/5 - 1/9/98: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends)
1/12 - 1/16/98: 1656 - 1660 (Up & Down)
1/19 - 1/23/98: 1666 - 1670 (Then & Now)
1/26 - 1/30/98: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear)
2/2 - 2/6/98: 1676 - 1680 (Going Away & Coming Back)
2/9 - 2/13/98: 1661 - 1665 (Love)
2/16 - 2/20/98: 1721 - 1725 (Giving & Receiving)
2/23 - 2/27/98: 1681 - 1685 (Fast & Slow)
3/2 - 3/6/98: 1686 - 1690 (Everybody's Special)
3/9 - 3/13/98: 1696 - 1700 (Transformations)
3/16 - 3/20/98: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets)
3/23 - 3/27/98: 1706 - 1710 (Brave & Strong)
3/30 - 4/3/98: 1711 - 1715 (Sharing)
4/6 - 4/10/98: 1716 - 1720 (Be Yourself: That's the Best)
4/13 - 4/17/98: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment)
And after this, the identical post-75 run to the previous year continued, except for two non-annual occasion weeks later, and then made up for with two skipped weeks
4/20 - 4/24/98: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
4/27 - 5/1/98: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)
5/4 - 5/8/98: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (Friday before Mother's Day!)
5/11 - 5/15/98: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
5/18 - 5/22/98: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
5/25 - 5/29/98: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline) (so Play was skipped, keeping the two non-annual occasion weeks later schedule)
6/1 - 6/5/98: 1496 - 1500 (Pets)
6/8 - 6/12/98: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity)
6/15 - 6/19/98: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
6/22 - 6/26/96: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (so Games was skipped)
6/29 - 7/3/98: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
7/6 - 7/10/98: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (why these last two weeks were switched is a mystery, especially since it would mean the opera the Friday before a holiday, and a day off from work! Maybe they felt the wedding was bigger than the opera, and the wedding aired on that same holiday, this time on the actual holiday, one year before)
7/13 - 7/17/98: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
7/20 - 7/24/98: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
7/27 - 7/31/98: 1726 - 1730 (You & I Together)
8/3 - 8/7/98: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe)
8/10 - 8/14/98: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
8/17 - 8/21/98: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/24 - 8/28/98: 1731 - 1735 (Little & Big)
8/31 - 9/4/98: 1651 - 1655 (Learning) (So just like in 1992, these last two in this order meant that with the late Labor Day, they did the usual Labor Day related traditions one week early. And the post-75 run, though doing just what it did the past two years, started at a different midpoint
9/7 - 9/11/98: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)
9/14 - 9/18/98: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music)
9/21 - 9/25/98: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
9/28 - 10/2/98: 1631 - 1635 (Growing)
10/5 - 10/9/98: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up)
10/12 - 10/16/98: 1641 - 1645 (Art)
10/19 - 10/23/98: 1691 - 1695 (Mouths & Feelings)
10/26 - 10/30/98: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
11/2 - 11/6/98: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends) (1646 aired the day Bob Trow died)
11/9 - 11/13/98: 1656 - 1660 (Up & Down)
11/16 - 11/20/98: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (why this week is a mystery. Though adding to the mystery is that starting at this point and for two more years, it was moved to the week before or after a holiday annual occasion week)
11/23 - 11/27/98: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
11/30 - 12/4/98: 1666 - 1670 (Then & Now)
12/7 - 12/11/98: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear)
12/14 - 12/18/98: 1676 - 1680 (Going Away & Coming Back)
12/21 - 12/25/98: 1721 - 1725 (Giving & Receiving) (So at this point, it became an annual occasion week for Christmas. And that's the first time since 1990 that the arts/music week didn't air the week containing Christmas Day or the first weekday after wasn't followed)
12/28/98 - 1/1/99: 1681 - 1685 (Fast & Slow) (So for the first time since 1983, no opera or entertainment episode aired at Christmas/New Year's.
1/4 - 1/8/99: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
1/11 - 1/15/99: 1686 - 1690 (Everybody's Special)
1/18 - 1/22: 1696 - 1700 (Transformations) (the reason why some of 1696 and its air date are in green are because a lot of 1696 was edited (and reshot years several years after its debut!) because it had a laser pointer, which wasn't allowed because they later realized that it would be scary to children).
1/25 - 1/29/99: 1701 - 1705 (Helping)
2/1 - 2/5/99: 1706 - 1710 (Brave & Strong)
2/8 - 2/12/99: 1661 - 1665 (Love)
2/15 - 2/19/99: 1736 - 1740 (Noisy & Quiet)
2/22 - 2/26/99: 1711 - 1715 (Sharing)
3/1 - 3/5/99: 1716 - 1720 (Be Yourself: That's the Best)
3/8 - 3/12/99: 1726 - 1730 (You & I Together)
3/15 - 3/19/99: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets)
3/22 - 3/26/99: 1731 - 1735 (Little & Big)
3/29 - 4/2/99: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (for some mysterious reason, episodes from before Creativity did air at the end of the post-75 run rather than at this point, with a mini-version of 1995 - 96. Though this does mean an opera on Good Friday! But it would still mean that if it weren't for that mini-version of 1995 - 96.)
4/5 - 4/9/99: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
4/12 - 4/16/99: 1511 - 1515 (Games) (the first time a post-75 other than Starting School aired after being skipped)
4/19 - 4/23/99: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment)
4/26 - 4/30/99: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents)
5/3 - 5/7/99: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
5/10 - 5/14/99: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
5/17 - 5/21/99: 1551 - 1555 (Families)
5/24 - 5/28/99: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations) (so obviously, Making & Creating was skipped. Though it does mean the opera the Friday before a holiday! And that could easily be why!)
5/31 - 6/4/99: 1571 - 1575 (Dance) (so obviously, Playthings was skipped)
6/7 - 6/11/99: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
6/14 - 6/18/99: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
6/21 - 6/25/99: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
6/28 - 7/2/99: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness)
So this being just before the post-75 run started, the early episodes started
7/5 - 7/9/99: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (ironically, especially with the parts of the post-75 run shifting, one week later than the Friday before a holiday!)
7/12 - 7/16/99: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
7/19 - 7/23/99: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (so obviously, Competition, Play (for the second year in a row!), and Discipline were skipped
7/26 - 7/30/99: 1741 - 1745 (Go Stop Go)
8/2 - 8/6/99: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine)
8/9 - 8/13/99: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
8/16 - 8/20/99: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/23 - 8/27/99: 1746 - 1750 (When Things Get Broken) (so unlike 1993, with Labor Day on the same day, they again made the Labor Day related traditions one week earlier)
8/30 - 9/3/99: 1651 - 1655 (Learning)
Then the post-75 run started with a different midpoint than the year before, but not far from it.
9/6 - 9/10/99: 1631 - 1635 (Growing)
9/13 - 9/17/99: 1636 - 1640 (Dress-Up)
9/20 - 9/24/99: 1641 - 1645 (Art)
9/27 - 10/1/99: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends)
10/4 - 10/8/99: 1656 - 1660 (Up & Down)
10/11 - 10/15/99: 1666 - 1670 (Then & Now)
10/18 - 10/22/99: 1691 - 1695 (Mad Feelings)
10/25 - 10/29/99: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
11/1 - 11/5/99: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear)
11/8 - 11/12/99: 1676 - 1680 (Going Away & Coming Back)
11/15 - 11/19/99: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (So therefore, they brought it back as a November annual occasion week, always for the week before Thanksgiving, and stopped caring about whether that era of episodes was airing)
11/22 - 11/26/99: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
11/29 - 12/3/99: 1681 - 1685 (Fast & Slow)
12/6 - 12/10/99: 1686 - 1690 (Everybody's Special)
12/13 - 12/17/99: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (therefore, again the after a holiday annual occasion week)
12/20 - 12/24/99: 1721 - 1725 (Giving & Receiving)
12/27 - 12/31/99: 1701 - 1705 (Helping) (Transformations was obviously skipped, most likely because it took time to reshoot 1696, or they didn't know what to do after the laser pointer issue came up, and probably thought it had to be banned, and then it was reshot later)
1/3 - 1/7/00: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
1/10 - 1/14/00: 1706 - 1710 (Brave & Strong)
1/17 - 1/21/00: 1711 - 1715 (Sharing)
1/24 - 1/28/00: 1716 - 1720 (Be Yourself: That's the Best)
1/31 - 2/4/00: 1726 - 1730 (You & I Together)
2/7 - 2/11/00: 1731 - 1735 (Little & Big)
2/14 - 2/18/00: 1661 - 1665 (Love)
2/21 - 2/25/00: 1751 - 1755 (Curiosity)
2/28 - 3/3/00: 1736 - 1740 (Noisy & Quiet)
3/6 - 3/10/00: 1741 - 1745 (Go Stop Go)
3/13 - 3/17/00: 1746 - 1750 (When Things Get Broken) (Obviously, Secrets was skipped, and it turns out after this it was always skipped in even years, and never in an odd year)
At this point, like 1999, going back to a few episodes from an era, but in this case from just before the start of the post-75 run before going back to the beginning
3/20 - 3/24/00: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games)
3/27 - 3/31/00: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music)
4/3 - 4/7/00: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
4/10 - 4/14/00: 1591 - 1595 (Kindness & Unkindness) (moved for some mysterious reason, although ending the few episodes from the era post-75 run before the annual occasion week makes sense, since the going back to the beginning post-75 run would be interrupted after only one week. Though interestingly enough, if Kindness & Unkindness was instead moved to the end of that part of the post-75 run Secrets could have started this era one, and it could  still be considered its annual occasion time, since it would still have aired the week containing Fred's birthday, and, which would only have been broken in 1995, like Love with Valentine's Day, always aired the week containing or before Fred's birthday)
4/17 - 4/21/00: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment)
4/24 - 4/28/00: 1481 - 1485 (Competition) (So though they go back to the beginning, Bubbleland is skipped, which is ironic since it would air Easter Friday.
5/1 - 5/5/95 1486 - 1490 (Play) (first time a week aired after being skipped two years in a row!!!!! And one of only four such weeks. And because of the canceled debut the week of 7/28 - 8/1/97, it's the first time it's airing as originally scheduled (and therefore on the schedule) since 9/18 - 9/22/95!!!!!!!!
5/8 - 5/12/00: 1491 - 1495 (Discipline)
5/15 - 5/19/00: 1506 - 1510 (Friends) (Pets was moved for a mysterious reason, and Creativity was skipped again, so that was the second week to be skipped two years in a row
5/22 - 5/26/00: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents) (so Games was skipped for the second time, and this means the opera the Friday before a holiday!)
5/29 - 6/2/00: 1546 - 1550 (Music) (so No & Yes was skipped)
6/5 - 6/9/00: 1551 - 1555 (Families) (that proves that No & Yes had to have been skipped because of course Carrie Dell couldn't be adopted before her parents are married)
6/12 - 6/16/00: 1556 - 1560 (Making & Creating)
6/19 - 6/23/00: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations)
6/26 - 6/30/00: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings)
7/3 - 7/7/00: 1571 - 1575 (Dance)
7/10 - 7/14/00: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes)
7/17 - 7/21/00: 1581 - 1585 (Alike & Different)
7/24 - 7/28/00: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime)
7/31 - 8/4/00: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (so this is when it was moved to, though why this week was a mystery)
8/7 - 8/11/00: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
8/14 - 8/18/00: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/21 - 8/25/00: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe) (So therefore, for the first time since DC&NC became a school week, these last three weeks aired in a different order than the past 3 years. And the reason why is mysterious, since they aired in this order in 2002 but not in 1996, which had the same calendars)
8/28 - 9/1/00: 1756 - 1760 (Ready to Read?)
9/4 - 9/8/00: 1651 - 1655 (Learning)
9/11 - 9/15/00: 1751 - 1755 (Curiosity) (So this became one of the school weeks, for very mysterious reasons, since I don't see at all why this has to do with school, and unlike Josephine, there's no school in it.)
Anyway, from here the post-75 run begins at the same midpoint as the year before, and with a lot of the schedule identical, or airing one week later
9/18 - 9/22/00: 1631 - 1635 (Growing)
9/25 - 9/29/00: 1646 - 1650 (Imaginary Friends) (Dress-Up was skipped and Art moved, probably to keep it like the year before, though I'll explain further when I get to the week it was moved to)
10/2 - 10/6/00: 1656 - 1660 (Up & Down)
10/9 - 10/13/00: 1666 - 1670 (Then & Now)
10/16 - 10/20/00: 1691 - 1695 (Mad Feelings)
10/23 - 10/27/00: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
10/30 - 11/3/00: 1676 - 1680 (Going Away & Coming Back)
11/6 - 11/10/00: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (the November opera tradition resumed)
11/13 - 11/17/00: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce) (though this and the previous week are back to back, that could have been by complete accident, since one was about the November opera and this was at its annual occasion time)
11/20 - 11/24/00: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
11/27 - 12/1/00: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (one again, airing before or after a holiday annual occasion week)
12/4 - 12/8/00: 1681 - 1685 (Fast & Slow)
12/11 - 12/15/00: 1696 - 1700 (Transformations) (So this is when 1696 was reshot without the laser pointer. Also, this means Everybody's Special was skipped)
12/18 - 12/22/00: 1721 - 1725 (Giving & Receiving)
12/25 - 12/29/00: 1641 - 1645 (Art) (So therefore, the music/the arts tradition of airing an episode on Christmas Day resumed, and for the first time not in its proper position)
1/1 - 1/5/01: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
1/8 - 1/12/01: 1701 - 1705 (Helping)
1/15 - 1/9/01: 1706 - 1710 (Brave & Strong)
1/22 - 1/26/01: 1711 - 1715 (Sharing)
1/29 - 2/2/01: 1716 - 1720 (Be Yourself: That's the Best)
2/5 - 2/9/01: 1726 - 1730 (You & I Together)
2/12 - 2/16/01: 1661 - 1665 (Love)
2/19 - 2/23/01: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes) (so therefore, for the first time since 1993, no President's Week debut, probably because the show was no longer making new episodes. But why Making Mistakes and not the proper position week is a mystery, especially since all weeks would be exactly one year before the previous year)
2/26 - 3/2/01: 1731 - 1735 (Little & Big) (so for the first time since 1990, no February debut, obviously for the same reason described in the previous week)
3/5 - 3/9/01: 1736 - 1740 (Noisy & Quiet)
3/12 - 3/16/01: 1741 - 1745 (Go Stop Go)
3/19 - 3/23/01: 1596 - 1600 (Secrets)
3/26 - 3/30/01: 1601 - 1605 (Fun & Games) (So When Things Get Broken and Ready to Read were moved, and small back to the beginning of the era of just before the start of the post-75 run episodes begin. They were probably moved to allow the episodes of no more than one week later than the previous year)
4/2 - 4/6/01: 1621 - 1625 (Fathers & Music)
4/9 - 4/13/01: 1626 -1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
4/16 - 4/20/01: 1616 - 1620 (The Environment)
Then the going back to the beginning starts, and Kindness & Unkindness is skipped, probably to keep the beginning episodes one year apart, or ending with only one week from an era after an annual occasion week, which they realized didn't work after March 1999
4/23 - 4/27/00: 1481 - 1485 (Competition)
4/30 - 5/4/01: 1486 - 1490 (Play)
5/7 - 5/11/01: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (So Discipline was skipped, and therefore Pets aired in its proper position)
5/14 - 5/18/01: 1506 - 1510 (Friends) (So therefore, as I said, Creativity was skipped for two years in a row)
5/21 - 5/25/01: 1531 - 1535 (Grandparents)
5/28 - 6/1/01: 1511 - 1515 (Games) (so therefore these last two weeks were switched, probably so the opera could air the Friday before a holiday!)
6/4 - 6/8/01: 1541 - 1545 (No & Yes)
6/11 - 6/15/01: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
6/18 - 6/22/01: 1561 - 1565 (Celebrations)
6/25 - 6/29/01: 1551 - 1555 (Families) (why these two were switched is a mystery, especially since with Celebrations in its proper position, it could be considered airing the Friday before a holiday, because that holiday is a Wednesday, so therefore there's no weekend attached to it, so the weekend before is one of the two weekends that could maybe be considered that holiday weekend, so therefore airing the Friday of the weekend before that holiday would be following the tradition if they weren't switched. Although airing Celebrations when it aired would mean the same as the previous year, and neither would air that same week if they weren't switched. And so therefore Making & Creating was obviously skipped)
7/2 - 7/6/01: 1571 - 1575 (Dance) (Playthings was moved for some mysterious reason, though Dance is airing the same as previous year)
7/9 - 7/13/01: 1756 - 1760 (Ready to Read?) (why this week is a mystery)
7/16 - 7/20/01: 1746 - 1750 (When Things Get Broken) (why this week is a mystery. And if anything they should have been switched since that could be considered an era of two episodes in order)
7/23 - 7/27/01: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime) (so therefore Alike & Different is skipped, and the two weeks before could allow it to air the same week as the previous year)
7/30 - 8/3/01: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings) (so therefore this was the week it was moved to for mysterious reasons
8/6 - 8/10/01: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
8/13 - 8/17/01: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/20 - 8/24/01: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe)
8/27 - 8/31/01: 1761 - 1765 (Celebrating the Arts) (series finale)
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 01, 2012, 05:57:42 PM
A few things that I find interesting is the black and whites still airing after the debut of 1001 as I was under the impression they never aired after that although while 1-65 and 66-130 may or my not be sseperate seasons perhaps having two sets of 65 episodes like other season may have been a factor.

Even though in this schedule the black and white episodes are airing after 1001, that's not confirmed.


Also, if the 4 weeks last aired in 1978 as he believes, why would they have decided not to air them by 1979, what would have changed, I know we've discussed possible reasons but wonder why they'd be an issue then.  Though a Celebrations episode did air on his 61st, and would have on his 59th if it weren't switched with Making & Creating. And ironically, of the two, the latter is the one of the two that was the birthday episode (of Kitty, Betty's character in the opera)

I don't know. Whenever they last aired, why they didn't before the other episodes from that era is a mystery.

Also, on a youtube clip in another thread I with coloboration from an old microfilm tv listing found 1311-1315 airing February 14-18, 1983 which as mentioned wouldn't make sense to interupt the story arc for Games debut although perhaps they aired an afternoon airing a few weeks behind.

It had to have been a PBS station that aired the afternoon airing a few weeks behind, because 1310/1311 isn't possible for a debut that could have been any other week.

Also, I find it intersting they'd only air the first half of 1969 in late 1983 and not the second half.

Yes though it makes sense since they were phasing out the 1969 season.

Also, similar to airing the wedding week before Carrie Dell's adoption week it made sense to air Grandparents before Fathers and Music as in Grandparents Fred says he isn't a grandfather yet and in Fathers and Music his grandson appears.

Though what is crazy is in April 1991, though Grandparents was before, they were only 2 weeks apart! And Grandparents was moved to a random week (yes, an opera Easter Friday and the Friday before Reardon's birthday, but that tradition wasn't followed every year and even if it was, it could have been done with another opera, as it has been at other times). So with kids easily remembering that after only two weeks, that made no sense. The closest those two weeks have aired with Fathers & Music airing before is in 2003, with Fathers & Music Jan. 20 - 24, and Grandparents, March 10 - 14, which would only be 7 weeks apart. That could be enough time for kids to forget Fred's grandson's appearance by the time they hear he's not a grandfather yet, however 7 weeks happens to also be the furthest apart No & Yes and Families have aired in 2004, with the former March 8 - 12 and the latter April 26 - 30.

Also, Celebratins worked well out so that his birthday celebration episode aired on his 70th birthday in 1998.

You mean Secrets, not Celebrations. And though it wasn't milestone, 64th in 1992 as well, as well as around that time for 63rd, 65th, 67th, 68th, 71st, 73rd, and what would be his 75th, 77th, and 79th if he had still been alive for those. And as for Celebrations, an episode did air on his 61st birthday, but not of either birthday episode that week (Henrietta and Kitty, Betty Aberlin's character the cat in the opera. And ironically, the latter would air on Fred's 59th birthday if Celebrations wasn't switched with Making & Creating, which made no sense that year).
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 02, 2012, 12:23:50 AM
7/1 - 7/5/96: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime) (Russian visit on a holiday, which though is in its proper position, could be appropriate! And it does prove my theory of Holy Week being the reason why it was moved in 1993)

How does it prove it?

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9/16 - 9/20/96: 1561 - 1565 (Friday before Rosh Hashanah, but I don't think that had anything to do with it, especially since it was in its proper position)

Friday after, you mean.

I still argue that the Friday before holiday operas were just coincidence.  If they were really a tradition, it would have always or almost always been done.  But, more often than not, it was not done.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 02, 2012, 12:31:18 AM

7/1 - 7/5/96: 1586 - 1590 (Nighttime) (Russian visit on a holiday, which though is in its proper position, could be appropriate! And it does prove my theory of Holy Week being the reason why it was moved in 1993)

How does it prove it?

Maybe it doesn't prove it, but it suggests it, since they could have wanted it to air on holidays. But in 1996, unlike 1993, it was in its proper position.

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9/16 - 9/20/96: 1561 - 1565 (Friday before Rosh Hashanah, but I don't think that had anything to do with it, especially since it was in its proper position)

Friday after, you mean.

I actually meant Friday before Yom Kippur.


I still argue that the Friday before holiday operas were just coincidence.  If they were really a tradition, it would have always or almost always been done.  But, more often than not, it was not done.

Maybe some were coincidence and some were to follow the tradition. If this was about the Friday before Yom Kippur, it was coincidence since it's in its proper position, while others, such as the debuts of 45, 1370, 1425, and as it happens, all four post-75 operas, as well as non-debuts such as Celebrations in 1988 and Grandparents in 1991, are to follow the tradition.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 02, 2012, 12:51:58 AM

3/29 - 4/2/99: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (for some mysterious reason, episodes from before Creativity did air at the end of the post-75 run rather than at this point, with a mini-version of 1995 - 96. Though this does mean an opera on Good Friday! But it would still mean that if it weren't for that mini-version of 1995 - 96.)

What do you mean by a mini-version of 1995-96?

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12/13 - 12/17/99: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (therefore, again the after a holiday annual occasion week)
12/20 - 12/24/99: 1721 - 1725 (Giving & Receiving)
12/27 - 12/31/99: 1701 - 1705 (Helping) (Transformations was obviously skipped, which is somewhat surprising since only debuted recently)

I think that was probably when the original version of 1696 was banned due to the laser pointer, and they probably had not yet shot the updated version of 1696.  They probably had intended to skip Work, but then maybe pulled Transformations from the schedule at the last minute, and replaced it with Work.

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7/31 - 8/4/00: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (so this is when it was moved to, though why this week was a mystery)

I'm guessing a debut was planned for that week, but never created.  They probably had originally intended to skip Pets.

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8/7 - 8/11/00: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
8/14 - 8/18/00: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/21 - 8/25/00: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe) (So therefore, for the first time since DC&NC became a school week, these last three weeks aired in a different order than the past 3 years. And the reason why is mysterious, since they aired in this order in 2002 but not in 1996, which had the same calendars)

Probably they thought that Aug. 21-25 was too late to air Starting School.

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9/11 - 9/15/00: 1751 - 1755 (Curiosity) (So this became one of the school weeks, for very mysterious reasons, since I don't see at all why this has to do with school, and unlike Josephine, there's no school in it.)

Probably since kids in school should be curious.

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10/30 - 11/3/00: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear) (apart from this being in its proper position and airing the same as the previous year, this could have something to do with Halloween, as seen in later years when not in its proper position, and unlike the previous year, had all episodes air after Halloween)

In the schedule that you had sent me years ago, it showed Going Away and Coming Back airing that week.  Are you sure Things to Wear aired?  Maybe they were switched at the last minute for some reason.

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12/11 - 12/15/00: 1696 - 1700 (Transformations) (the reason why some of 1696 and its air date are in green are because a lot of 1696 was edited (and reshot years several years after its debut!) because for some mysterious eason, at this point airing an episode with a laser printer wasn't allowed. Also, this means Everybody's Special was skipped)

I think they pretty expicitly said that it was because some parents were concerned about the fact that guns use laser pointers, and that there was concern over the safety of laser pointers.  Not mysterious.

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2/19 - 2/23/01: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes) (so therefore, for the first time since 1993, no President's Week debut, probably because the show was no longer making new episodes. But why Making Mistakes and not the proper position week is a mystery, especially since all weeks would be exactly one year before the previous year)

They probably planned a debut for that week, before they realized that 1765 would be the last episode.  They probably had intended to skip Making Mistakes.


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7/9 - 7/13/01: 1756 - 1760 (Ready to Read?) (why this week is a mystery)
7/16 - 7/20/01: 1746 - 1750 (When Things Get Broken) (why this week is a mystery. And if anything they should have been switched since that could be considered an era of two episodes in order)

Maybe since they felt the topic of reading and computers (there was a computer in 1746) would be mostly of interest to older kids who are home for the summer.

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7/30 - 8/3/01: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings) (so therefore this was the week it was moved to for mysterious reasons

Again, they probably planned a debut for that week, before they realized 1765 would be the last episode.  And they probably planned to skip Playthings.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 02, 2012, 01:14:24 AM

3/29 - 4/2/99: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (for some mysterious reason, episodes from before Creativity did air at the end of the post-75 run rather than at this point, with a mini-version of 1995 - 96. Though this does mean an opera on Good Friday! But it would still mean that if it weren't for that mini-version of 1995 - 96.)

What do you mean by a mini-version of 1995-96?

I meant with the post-75 run jumping from era to era.

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12/13 - 12/17/99: 1526 - 1530 (Work) (therefore, again the after a holiday annual occasion week)
12/20 - 12/24/99: 1721 - 1725 (Giving & Receiving)
12/27 - 12/31/99: 1701 - 1705 (Helping) (Transformations was obviously skipped, which is somewhat surprising since only debuted recently)

I think that was probably when the original version of 1696 was banned due to the laser pointer, and they probably had not yet shot the updated version of 1696. They probably had intended to skip Work, but then maybe pulled Transformations from the schedule at the last minute, and replaced it with Work.

But the old 1696 aired on 12/11/00! Or am I wrong about that?



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7/31 - 8/4/00: 1496 - 1500 (Pets) (so this is when it was moved to, though why this week was a mystery)

I'm guessing a debut was planned for that week, but never created.  They probably had originally intended to skip Pets.

That would make sense considering the time of year and the 2 years before that (and what was planned for 3 years before), but I'm guessing not, since Pets was never skipped.


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8/7 - 8/11/00: 1516 - 1520 (Daycare & Night Care)
8/14 - 8/18/00: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/21 - 8/25/00: 1606 - 1610 (Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe) (So therefore, for the first time since DC&NC became a school week, these last three weeks aired in a different order than the past 3 years. And the reason why is mysterious, since they aired in this order in 2002 but not in 1996, which had the same calendars)

Probably they thought that Aug. 21-25 was too late to air Starting School.

That makes sense and I thought about it, but they had this same schedule in 2001 and 2002, and Starting School had aired as late as Aug. 19 - 23 and Aug. 20 - 24 before. Though neither since 1996, which was a good few years before, so that's possible.


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9/11 - 9/15/00: 1751 - 1755 (Curiosity) (So this became one of the school weeks, for very mysterious reasons, since I don't see at all why this has to do with school, and unlike Josephine, there's no school in it.)

Probably since kids in school should be curious.

That makes sense.


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10/30 - 11/3/00: 1671 - 1675 (Things to Wear) (apart from this being in its proper position and airing the same as the previous year, this could have something to do with Halloween, as seen in later years when not in its proper position, and unlike the previous year, had all episodes air after Halloween)

In the schedule that you had sent me years ago, it showed Going Away and Coming Back airing that week.  Are you sure Things to Wear aired?  Maybe they were switched at the last minute for some reason.

No you're right, and it makes sense since Going Away & Coming Back was never skipped while Things to Wear was, and I made the correction.

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12/11 - 12/15/00: 1696 - 1700 (Transformations) (the reason why some of 1696 and its air date are in green are because a lot of 1696 was edited (and reshot years several years after its debut!) because for some mysterious eason, at this point airing an episode with a laser printer wasn't allowed. Also, this means Everybody's Special was skipped)

I think they pretty expicitly said that it was because some parents were concerned about the fact that guns use laser pointers, and that there was concern over the safety of laser pointers.  Not mysterious.

Maybe you're right.

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2/19 - 2/23/01: 1576 - 1580 (Making Mistakes) (so therefore, for the first time since 1993, no President's Week debut, probably because the show was no longer making new episodes. But why Making Mistakes and not the proper position week is a mystery, especially since all weeks would be exactly one year before the previous year)

They probably planned a debut for that week, before they realized that 1765 would be the last episode.  They probably had intended to skip Making Mistakes.

That would make total sense, except they never skipped Making Mistakes.


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7/9 - 7/13/01: 1756 - 1760 (Ready to Read?) (why this week is a mystery)
7/16 - 7/20/01: 1746 - 1750 (When Things Get Broken) (why this week is a mystery. And if anything they should have been switched since that could be considered an era of two episodes in order)

Maybe since they felt the topic of reading and computers (there was a computer in 1746) would be mostly of interest to older kids who are home for the summer.

That does make sense for computers, but not for reading, since if anything younger kids are learning to read.

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7/30 - 8/3/01: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings) (so therefore this was the week it was moved to for mysterious reasons

Again, they probably planned a debut for that week, before they realized 1765 would be the last episode.  And they probably planned to skip Playthings.

That makes sense, considering 1998, 1999, and what was planned for 1997, how close it was to 1765, and that Playthings was skipped many times, but since there was no debut that week in 2000, I'm guessing not. Although the schedule came out before that week in 2000, so it's possible.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 02, 2012, 01:18:23 AM

But the old 1696 aired on 12/11/00! Or am I wrong about that?

I don't know for sure.  But in an interview from 1999, Fred mentioned the laser pointer issue, so it wouldn't have aired after 1999.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 02, 2012, 01:34:34 AM
Then if Fred's interview is from 1999, I'm sure 1/18/99 was the last of the laser pointer 1696, then 12/11/00 the new 1696's debut. And it makes sense that this is why they'd skip Transformations in 1999 - 2000, and I made the correction. I thought I remembered hearing that for some reason, the new 1696 debuted after the last episode did, making new 1696 technically the last new episode, and thinking that Fred would agree to shoot some new material and they kept the set for its post-1765 debut. But I could be wrong. But I don't think they were going to air it 12/13 - 12/17/99 and skip Work, even though they skipped Work before, even though that week would be Transformations's proper position, because Work was following the tradition of the year before and the year after of airing before or after a holiday annual occasion week. And by the way, it's great that the laser pointer wasn't discovered after 2/27/03, or Transformations would have to be banned! (or maybe even after 1765's reshooting it would be as well).
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 03, 2012, 07:26:07 PM
By the way, I realized that for 2 weeks in a row in the fall of 2000, 2 (out of only 3 post-75) weeks that Betty wasn't in aired in a row.  She wasn't in Growing (Sept. 18-22, 2000) or Imaginary Friends (Sept. 25-29, 2000).  I'm guessing that was the longest period ever without her being seen.  After Sept. 14, 2000, she wasn't seen again until Oct. 5, 2000!  I wonder if any kids were wondering where she was.  Maybe it would have been smart to have swapped Imaginary Friends with Up and Down.

I also wonder if, by any chance, if 1125 could have aired a week later than listed in 1982 (not saying you are wrong; just saying it would have been more interesting with respect to my personal life).

Another interesting thing about the debut if Games is that although 1983 was not a winter olympic year, if it was, it would have aired the day before the opening ceremony of the olympics (or, if in 1998 or later, the day of the opening ceremony).
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 03, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
By the way, I realized that for 2 weeks in a row in the fall of 2000, 2 (out of only 3 post-75) weeks that Betty wasn't in aired in a row.  She wasn't in Growing (Sept. 18-22, 2000) or Imaginary Friends (Sept. 25-29, 2000). 

The other is Things to Wear.

I'm guessing that was the longest period ever without her being seen. 

That's not true. There are four pre-79s she wasn't in, 11 - 15, 1301 - 1305, 1311 - 1315, and 1361 - 1365, and May 24 - 28, 1993 was Imaginary Friends and May 31 - June 4, 1361 - 1365, so that's another 2-week interval.


After Sept. 14, 2000, she wasn't seen again until Oct. 5, 2000! 

I'm guessing she wasn't in 1755, 1656, 1657, and 1658, but she was in 1754 and 1659. Even though I've seen both Curiosity and Up & Down several times, I didn't remember Betty not in the episodes I listed but in the others I listed. But as for the May 17 - 21, 1993 week (Art) and the June 7 - 11 week (1386 - 1390), was she in 1642, 1643, 1644, 1645, 1386, 1387, 1388, 1389? It would be the same length if:

her only Art appearance was 1641, and she was in 1386
her last Art appearance was 1642, and her first 1386 - 1390 appearance was 1387
her last Art appearance was 1643, and her first 1386 - 1390 appearance was 1388
her last Art appearance was 1644, and her first 1386 - 1390 appearance was 1389
she was in 1645, and her only 1386 - 1390 appearance was 1390

And it would be longer than Sept. 15 - Oct. 4, 2000 if:
her only Art appearance was 1641, and she wasn't in 1386
her last Art appearance was 1641 or 1642, and her first 1386 - 1390 appearance was 1388 or later
her last Art appearance was 1643 or earlier, and her first 1386 - 1390 appearance was 1389 or 1390
she wasn't in 1645, and her only 1386 - 1390 appearance was 1390.

Would you know in what Art and 1386 - 1390 episodes she's in?


I wonder if any kids were wondering where she was.  Maybe it would have been smart to have swapped Imaginary Friends with Up and Down.

Even though kids were wondering that, and as sad as it would be not to have Betty for such a long interval, that wouldn't be a good enough reason.

I also wonder if, by any chance, if 1125 could have aired a week later than listed in 1982 (not saying you are wrong; just saying it would have been more interesting with respect to my personal life).

Yes, and Lincoln's Birthday was still observed in 1982, so the significance to 1971 is the same as 1982! And I think it could easily have aired one week later for completely different reasons (from the article I saw years ago, it really looks like 1191 - 1195 aired May 24 - 28, 1982, not May 17 - 21, as I have it. I'd have to think of how that could be possible.

Another interesting thing about the debut if Games is that although 1983 was not a winter olympic year, if it was, it would have aired the day before the opening ceremony of the olympics (or, if in 1998 or later, the day of the opening ceremony).

Yes!!!!! I thought about that as soon as I found out its debut date! I didn't realize though it was in 1998 that they changed the opening ceremony date from Saturday to Friday. I thought in 1994, it started Feb. 12, not Feb. 11, though I'm guessing that's wrong. Do you also know if in 1992 and before, the summer Olympics also started on a Saturday, not Friday? I do remember very well in 1996, the Olympics started Friday, July 19, not Saturday, July 20, so that decision must have been made in between the times they started the 1994 winter and 1996 summer start dates.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 03, 2012, 10:43:50 PM

I'm guessing that was the longest period ever without her being seen. 

That's not true. There are four pre-79s she wasn't in, 11 - 15, 1301 - 1305, 1311 - 1315, and 1361 - 1365, and May 24 - 28, 1993 was Imaginary Friends and May 31 - June 4, 1361 - 1365, so that's another 2-week interval.

This lists which episodes Tim has detailed (he's detailed all post-75s but not all pre-79s yet, so the list for post-75s is complete) that Lady Aberlin is in:
http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/mrn/characters/lady_aberlin/index.html

Since she was in 1645 and was in 1386, that was not nearly as long an interval as in the fall of 2000.

I wonder if any kids were wondering where she was.  Maybe it would have been smart to have swapped Imaginary Friends with Up and Down.

Even though kids were wondering that, and as sad as it would be not to have Betty for such a long interval, that wouldn't be a good enough reason.

But they move episodes for less of a reason for that (meaning, no aparent reason, such as Conflict and Work in 1985).

I also wonder if, by any chance, if 1125 could have aired a week later than listed in 1982 (not saying you are wrong; just saying it would have been more interesting with respect to my personal life).

Yes, and Lincoln's Birthday was still observed in 1982, so the significance to 1971 is the same as 1982! And I think it could easily have aired one week later for completely different reasons (from the article I saw years ago, it really looks like 1191 - 1195 aired May 24 - 28, 1982, not May 17 - 21, as I have it. I'd have to think of how that could be possible.

That's right, since the article was dated May 20, 1982, and even though it gave no airdate, it was clearly talking about the future, not the past, so it was likely talking about May 24-28, 1982.  That means that 1125 has another significant airdate for my wife and I!

Two others that I realized: You have it airing Nov. 12, 1971.  My wife and I got married on Nov. 13, 2010 (and Nov. 12, 2010 was our rehearsal dinner!)  So our engagement, engagement party, her shower, and our rehearsal dinner were all on likely airdates of 1125!

A near miss is Mar. 30, 1984.  I met her parents on Mar. 29, 2003.

Although I do not specifically remember its 1984 airdate, I do remember very well being sick, and watching the episode in bed on a small, battery powered black and white TV.  The weather history for my area shows snow for that day, and I do vaguely remember falling asleap after 1125, and when I woke up, my parents told me that it had snowed while I was alseap.

Another interesting thing about the debut if Games is that although 1983 was not a winter olympic year, if it was, it would have aired the day before the opening ceremony of the olympics (or, if in 1998 or later, the day of the opening ceremony).

Yes!!!!! I thought about that as soon as I found out its debut date! I didn't realize though it was in 1998 that they changed the opening ceremony date from Saturday to Friday. I thought in 1994, it started Feb. 12, not Feb. 11, though I'm guessing that's wrong.

No, you are correct.  Feb. 12, 1994 was a Saturday, and 1994 was before 1998.  I do remember the opening ceremony being on Feb. 12, 1994.

I also realized that I was wrong about 1998.  Wikipedia says the opening ceremony in 1998 was Feb. 7 (a Saturday).  So it was moved to a Friday in 2002, and Wikipedia shows that the opening ceremony in 2002 was on Feb. 8, a Friday (which I do remember).

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Do you also know if in 1992 and before, the summer Olympics also started on a Saturday, not Friday? I do remember very well in 1996, the Olympics started Friday, July 19, not Saturday, July 20, so that decision must have been made in between the times they started the 1994 winter and 1996 summer start dates.

According to Wikipedia, the opening ceremony was July 25, 1992, which was a Saturday.  So you are right about 1996 being when the summer olympic opening ceremony was moved to a Friday.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 03, 2012, 10:49:08 PM
By the way, another alleged airdate is the Paley Center shows 1101 as having aired Oct. 25, 1971.  Your schedule does not show it airing that date.  So are you just assuming that to be an error?  Interestingly, that is the correct day of the week (Monday).

Since I know you said that you saw 1101 at the Paley Center, do you remember if it had the trolley closing or not?  If so, then it is unlikely that what they have is from a 1971 airing, since we don't think the trolley closing was added that early, meaning the date is likely wrong.  If it does not have the trolley closing but has the 1971 PBS animation with the moog synthesizer, then it was likely an airdate between 1971 and 1975, with a possibly correct airdate.  If it has the NET animation, then it was likely its original airdate in 1970 with a wrong airdate.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 04, 2012, 01:21:42 AM
Since she was in 1645 and was in 1386, that was not nearly as long an interval as in the fall of 2000.

Then I'm sure you're right, and fall 2000 is the longest.

But they move episodes for less of a reason for that (meaning, no aparent reason, such as Conflict and Work in 1985).

Neither was moved in 1985, but I do get your point. However, I think whatever their reason was, even if it was random, it makes more sense than 14 consecutive Bettyless episodes.

Incidentally, I do wonder what the longest interval is for other characters, especially major. Daniel, probably the leading puppet, of post-75s, is only not seen in Creativity and The Environment, which have never aired back to back, but I don't know about pre-79s. As for Friday, the only weeks they weren't in were 1016 - 1025 (and 1026 - 1029, which is their honeymoon), 1266 - 1270, and Josephine. Josephine debuted long after 1016 - 1030 last aired, and neither that and 1016 - 1029 has aired back to back with 1266 - 1270 (at least Josephine hasn't, but 1016 - 1030 is unlikely). So probably, since 1001 - 1030 can't be interrupted, all 1016 - 1029 airings are the longest. If we want to think more Children's Corner characters, the only others are X and Henrietta, but I do think they weren't seen as much in the post-75s, so maybe a week without them wasn't so much a big deal. Though could you check and see which weeks they weren't in? And as for other major characters, could you also check Lady Elaine, since I think she was more major in the post-75s. And since I really think he was the second biggest human character, also check Mr. McFeely, although I think I found that the only week he wasn't in, both pre-79 and post-75, was 1311 - 1315, correct? Or was there another? Could you check and see when is last 1306 - 1310 and first 1316 - 1320 appearances are, to see if we could figure out the longest? And the only confirmed time that 1316 - 1320 didn't immediately follow 1315 was for Superheroes in 1987. Could you check his first Superheroes appearance to see if it's later in the week than 1316 - 1320? I seem to remember he was in 1467, but don't remember 1466.
That's right, since the article was dated May 20, 1982, and even though it gave no airdate, it was clearly talking about the future, not the past, so it was likely talking about May 24-28, 1982.  That means that 1125 has another significant airdate for my wife and I!

But sadly for you and your wife, that still doesn't prove that 1192 and 1193 did air after May 20, so it's still possible that it did air Feb. 5 instead. But it is still most likely

Two others that I realized: You have it airing Nov. 12, 1971.  My wife and I got married on Nov. 13, 2010 (and Nov. 12, 2010 was our rehearsal dinner!)  So our engagement, engagement party, her shower, and our rehearsal dinner were all on likely airdates of 1125!

Yes! Though the rehearsal dinner is sadly not confirmed. Though if it does, all the ones that you were at (I'm guessing you weren't at the shower) were the first three airdates!

A near miss is Mar. 30, 1984.  I met her parents on Mar. 29, 2003.

That is an interesting near miss.

Although I do not specifically remember its 1984 airdate, I do remember very well being sick, and watching the episode in bed on a small, battery powered black and white TV.  The weather history for my area shows snow for that day, and I do vaguely remember falling asleap after 1125, and when I woke up, my parents told me that it had snowed while I was alseap.

I'm sure that airdate is correct, and not just from this memory.

No, you are correct.  Feb. 12, 1994 was a Saturday, and 1994 was before 1998.  I do remember the opening ceremony being on Feb. 12, 1994.

Then I'm sure that airdate is correct.

I also realized that I was wrong about 1998.  Wikipedia says the opening ceremony in 1998 was Feb. 7 (a Saturday).  So it was moved to a Friday in 2002, and Wikipedia shows that the opening ceremony in 2002 was on Feb. 8, a Friday (which I do remember).

According to Wikipedia, the opening ceremony was July 25, 1992, which was a Saturday.  So you are right about 1996 being when the summer olympic opening ceremony was moved to a Friday.

I wonder then why they moved back to Saturday just for winter 1998 when it was Friday in summer 1996. What about summer 2000? Was that September 15 or 16? I do seem to remember September 15 for that one.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 04, 2012, 01:49:18 AM
By the way, another alleged airdate is the Paley Center shows 1101 as having aired Oct. 25, 1971.  Your schedule does not show it airing that date.  So are you just assuming that to be an error?  Interestingly, that is the correct day of the week (Monday).

I still think its airing 10/11/71 makes more sense, since Paley Center isn't confirmed, and they have many other debut dates that are incorrect, such as 1089 on 4/1/78, and that's a Saturday!!!!!!!!

Since I know you said that you saw 1101 at the Paley Center, do you remember if it had the trolley closing or not? 

It sure did!!!!! All pre-79s did.


If so, then it is unlikely that what they have is from a 1971 airing, since we don't think the trolley closing was added that early, meaning the date is likely wrong.

I'm sure it's wrong.

If it does not have the trolley closing but has the 1971 PBS animation with the moog synthesizer, then it was likely an airdate between 1971 and 1975, with a possibly correct air date. If it has the NET animation, then it was likely its original airdate in 1970 with a wrong airdate.

I don't remember what PBS animation it had, but I heard that 1001 - 1535 aired the moog synthesizer PBS animation for many years after that animation stopped, and same with the Split P one for 1536 - 1610, and that lasted til long after 1001 last aired. So if it had the moog synthesizer, there's no way to tell when the airing is from.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 04, 2012, 11:40:47 AM
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Neither was moved in 1985, but I do get your point. However, I think whatever their reason was, even if it was random, it makes more sense than 14 consecutive Bettyless episodes.

That was a typo.  I meant 1986.

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Incidentally, I do wonder what the longest interval is for other characters, especially major. Daniel, probably the leading puppet, of post-75s, is only not seen in Creativity and The Environment, which have never aired back to back, but I don't know about pre-79s.

I'm not sure offhand.  But I remember being surprised to see that there were many weeks from the 1974 season that he was not in.  I don't remember how many of them were consecutive.  I wonder if maybe  the Daniel puppet was damaged and it took a few weeks to make a new one?

Two others that I realized: You have it airing Nov. 12, 1971.  My wife and I got married on Nov. 13, 2010 (and Nov. 12, 2010 was our rehearsal dinner!)  So our engagement, engagement party, her shower, and our rehearsal dinner were all on likely airdates of 1125!

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Yes! Though the rehearsal dinner is sadly not confirmed. Though if it does, all the ones that you were at (I'm guessing you weren't at the shower) were the first three airdates!

Although Feb. 12, 1971 isn't exactly confirmed either.

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I wonder then why they moved back to Saturday just for winter 1998 when it was Friday in summer 1996. What about summer 2000? Was that September 15 or 16? I do seem to remember September 15 for that one.

Sept. 15
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 04, 2012, 11:43:17 AM
By the way, you have a post (#62 on this thread) that is just a quote of one of your previous posts with nothing added.  I assume that was not what you intended.  You may want to re-post whatever you intended to post.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 04, 2012, 11:55:22 AM

I still think its airing 10/11/71 makes more sense, since Paley Center isn't confirmed, and they have many other debut dates that are incorrect, such as 1089 on 4/1/78, and that's a Saturday!!!!!!!!

The dates that the Paley Center has are not necessarily debut dates, just the airdate from when it was recorded.  4/1/78 sounds like a likely airdate for 1089 on a station that reran MRN on weekends.

Since I know you said that you saw 1101 at the Paley Center, do you remember if it had the trolley closing or not?

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It sure did!!!!! All pre-79s did.

Other people here have seen pre-79s at the Paley Center that did not have the trolley closing.  They went directly from the closing credits to the 1971 PBS animation.  They were obviously taped before 1976.  The episodes you saw at the Paley Center were probably all taped after 1976 if they had the trolley closing.

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I don't remember what PBS animation it had, but I heard that 1001 - 1535 aired the moog synthesizer PBS animation for many years after that animation stopped, and same with the Split P one for 1536 - 1610, and that lasted til long after 1001 last aired. So if it had the moog synthesizer, there's no way to tell when the airing is from.

That I think varied by station.  I know for sure that on WNET and WLIW, the 1971 PBS animation with the moog synthesizer was not used after the summer of 1984, even when rerunning old episodes.  In fact, when I saw 1066 on June 2, 1986, I was wondering if it would be back, but it wasn't.

In any case, what I meant was that you could determine the era of the Paley Center's copy of 1101 based on the following:

No trolley closing, and NET animation: 1970 (and the Oct. 25, 1971 airdate is likely wrong)
No trolley closing, and 1971 PBS animation with moog synthesizer: 1971-1975 (and the Oct. 25, 1971 airdate is possibly correct)
Trolley closing: 1976 or later (and the OCt. 25, 1971 airdate is likely wrong).

Also, keep in mind that from 1971 to 1977, Veterans Day was moved (for whatever reason) to the 4th Monday of October.  So maybe they specifically wanted to air 1101 on that day?

If you are 100% certain that the Paley Center's copy of 1101 has the trolley closing, then it was obviously shot after 1971, and its airdate is obviously wrong.  I wonder if it could have aired that day in 1976 or 1982, but neither seem likely.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 04, 2012, 07:08:24 PM
That was a typo.  I meant 1986.

I understand, but still, I get your point.

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Incidentally, I do wonder what the longest interval is for other characters, especially major. Daniel, probably the leading puppet, of post-75s, is only not seen in Creativity and The Environment, which have never aired back to back, but I don't know about pre-79s.

I'm not sure offhand.  But I remember being surprised to see that there were many weeks from the 1974 season that he was not in.  I don't remember how many of them were consecutive.  I wonder if maybe  the Daniel puppet was damaged and it took a few weeks to make a new one?

Somehow I doubt it. Though it'd be interesting to see Daniel from 1973 and 1975 weeks to compare.

Two others that I realized: You have it airing Nov. 12, 1971.  My wife and I got married on Nov. 13, 2010 (and Nov. 12, 2010 was our rehearsal dinner!)  So our engagement, engagement party, her shower, and our rehearsal dinner were all on likely airdates of 1125!

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Yes! Though the rehearsal dinner is sadly not confirmed. Though if it does, all the ones that you were at (I'm guessing you weren't at the shower) were the first three airdates!

Although Feb. 12, 1971 isn't exactly confirmed either.

Yes you're right. So only the engagement party is confirmed, and not the proposal or rehearsal dinner. I also realized that just maybe, if they reran the season three times in between seasons, which is what I originally thought years ago before I heard about the July 12, 1973 article, then maybe it aired Nov. 13, 1970, so it'd be your wedding day, which of course is a much bigger deal than your rehearsal dinner!

Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 04, 2012, 07:19:41 PM

The dates that the Paley Center has are not necessarily debut dates, just the airdate from when it was recorded.  4/1/78 sounds like a likely airdate for 1089 on a station that reran MRN on weekends.

And by the same token, 10/25/71 could be from a station that reran the episode 2 weeks later, similar to the memory of 1315 on 2/18/83, which I have three weeks earlier.

Other people here have seen pre-79s at the Paley Center that did not have the trolley closing.  They went directly from the closing credits to the 1971 PBS animation.  They were obviously taped before 1976.  The episodes you saw at the Paley Center were probably all taped after 1976 if they had the trolley closing.

But I still think debut date doesn't necessarily mean tape date. In fact, a lot of episodes with the correct debut date have the trolley closing, so that proves it.

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I don't remember what PBS animation it had, but I heard that 1001 - 1535 aired the moog synthesizer PBS animation for many years after that animation stopped, and same with the Split P one for 1536 - 1610, and that lasted til long after 1001 last aired. So if it had the moog synthesizer, there's no way to tell when the airing is from.

That I think varied by station.  I know for sure that on WNET and WLIW, the 1971 PBS animation with the moog synthesizer was not used after the summer of 1984, even when rerunning old episodes.  In fact, when I saw 1066 on June 2, 1986, I was wondering if it would be back, but it wasn't.

Are you sure it was both on WNET and WLIW? WLIW I can understand, since it's a low budget station, but not WNET. Also, the recording I have of 1181 from 6/18/90, which I heard is from WNET, has the moog synthesizer. And I have a memory of, when I saw 1319 on 5/9/85 on WNET, seeing the moog synthesizer Anyway, apart from this, what I said about PBS animations isn't from memory, but from someone on the yahoo board who told me.

In any case, what I meant was that you could determine the era of the Paley Center's copy of 1101 based on the following:

No trolley closing, and NET animation: 1970 (and the Oct. 25, 1971 airdate is likely wrong)

That, as I said, is not true.

No trolley closing, and 1971 PBS animation with moog synthesizer: 1971-1975 (and the Oct. 25, 1971 airdate is possibly correct)

That as I said, is not it.

Trolley closing: 1976 or later (and the OCt. 25, 1971 airdate is likely wrong).

That's the most likely, but for other reasons, I really do think it's wrong.


Also, keep in mind that from 1971 to 1977, Veterans Day was moved (for whatever reason) to the 4th Monday of October.  So maybe they specifically wanted to air 1101 on that day?

But the date I have it is also a holiday, Columbus Day! So if it's already airing on a holiday, why would they move it to a different holiday?


If you are 100% certain that the Paley Center's copy of 1101 has the trolley closing, then it was obviously shot after 1971, and its airdate is obviously wrong.  I wonder if it could have aired that day in 1976 or 1982, but neither seem likely.

I don't see this as a typo from 1976 or 1982. Definitely not 1976, And besides, the episodes I have for 1982, as well as 1976, is nowhere near 1101.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 04, 2012, 10:03:43 PM
And by the same token, 10/25/71 could be from a station that reran the episode 2 weeks later, similar to the memory of 1315 on 2/18/83, which I have three weeks earlier.

Good point.

I was also thinking about its 4/1/78 airdate for 1089.  Remember, many sources mention that starting in 1976, edited versions of the colored episodes would air.  So, I'm thinking that 1001-1455 are the edited versions of former episodes 131-585.  The one episode we know for sure was edited was 1121, which would be the edited version of 251.  So maybe 4/1/78 (really 3/30/78) was the debut of 1089, as opposed to 219.

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Are you sure it was both on WNET and WLIW? WLIW I can understand, since it's a low budget station, but not WNET. Also, the recording I have of 1181 from 6/18/90, which I heard is from WNET, has the moog synthesizer. And I have a memory of, when I saw 1319 on 5/9/85 on WNET, seeing the moog synthesizer Anyway, apart from this, what I said about PBS animations isn't from memory, but from someone on the yahoo board who told me.

I could be wrong about 1984 (maybe it was 1985), but I know for sure it did not have the PBS animation with the moog synthesizer in 1986.  I was specifically looking for it, and it wasn't there.  Maybe it was reintroduced sometime before 1990.  I remember that once the P Heads were intorduced (which I thought was the summer of 1984), I never saw the animation with the moog syntheizer ever again.

In any case, what I meant was that you could determine the era of the Paley Center's copy of 1101 based on the following:

No trolley closing, and NET animation: 1970 (and the Oct. 25, 1971 airdate is likely wrong)

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That, as I said, is not true.

Come to think of it, since every known copy of every known black and white episode seems to still have the NET animation, that implies that the black and white episodes probably never aired after 1970.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 04, 2012, 10:10:51 PM

Incidentally, I do wonder what the longest interval is for other characters, especially major. Daniel, probably the leading puppet, of post-75s, is only not seen in Creativity and The Environment, which have never aired back to back,

I have heard that the Exxon-Valdez oil spill in 1989 was one of the events that inspired The Environment week (as well as garbage washing up on beaches during the summers of 1987 and 1988).  I wonder if Daniel not appearing in The Environment week could have had anything to do with the fact that Exxon's mascott is a tiger.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 06, 2012, 11:14:10 AM
I also wonder if, by any chance, if 1125 could have aired a week later than listed in 1982 (not saying you are wrong; just saying it would have been more interesting with respect to my personal life).

Yes, and Lincoln's Birthday was still observed in 1982, so the significance to 1971 is the same as 1982! And I think it could easily have aired one week later for completely different reasons (from the article I saw years ago, it really looks like 1191 - 1195 aired May 24 - 28, 1982, not May 17 - 21, as I have it. I'd have to think of how that could be possible.

Actually, it's fairly obvious.  Creativity probably did not have a second airing in August 1982.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 06, 2012, 11:46:26 AM
I was also thinking about its 4/1/78 airdate for 1089.  Remember, many sources mention that starting in 1976, edited versions of the colored episodes would air.  So, I'm thinking that 1001-1455 are the edited versions of former episodes 131-585.  The one episode we know for sure was edited was 1121, which would be the edited version of 251.  So maybe 4/1/78 (really 3/30/78) was the debut of 1089, as opposed to 219.

That's interesting. But it's not like all 455 of the episodes that had their numbers changed were edited. And also, this would be the second bulk airing, not the first, and the 1001 - 1455 episodes would debut in the first, the debut of 1089 as opposed to 219 would be 6/24/76, not 3/30/78.

Also, on the topic of debut dates at the Paley Center, there is one that I know is an incorrect airdate, as well as debut date, for Sesame Street. The Season 10 premiere, 1186, has 10/19/78. Since the first 33 seasons all had a number of episodes equal to a multiple of 5, all season premieres were on a Monday, and all those seasons were uninterrupted, like MRN, each episode that ended in 1 and 6 were Monday episodes, 2 and 7 were Tuesday, etc. However, 10/19/78 was a Thursday!!!!! But we know it wasn't Monday 10/16/78 for the following reason. First, the Old School DVD set, which has the Season 1 - 10 premieres plus clips from those seasons, has debut dates for those season premieres, and the debut date it gives is 11/27/78. And I believe that more, not only because the Old School DVD set is a more official source. We know that Seasons 1 and 3 - 29 had 130 episodes per season and Season 2, 145, which explains why the Season 10 premiere is 1186. We also know that for the 130 episode seasons, at least when the season premieres were 52 weeks apart, reran each season, compete, uncut, and in order, in between seasons, and that the show itself premiered Nov. 10, 1969. Even though not all season premieres between then and Season 10 aren't 52 weeks apart, (ironically, the interval between Season 2 and 3 is! But not all between Seasons 3 and 10 are, since the Season 3 premiere was 11/8/71, not 12/6), they were all not much more or less than 52 weeks apart, so there were some weeks that either didn't rerun or aired three times, but not many. So this means that all season premieres were sometime in November, hence 11/27/78.

For the record, here's when all SS season premieres were, after of course the series premiere:
Season 2: 11/9/70 (So Season 1 obviously aired and then reran the 130 episodes complete, uncut, and in order)
Season 3: As I said, 11/8/71
Season 4: 11/27/72
Season 5: 11/19/73
Season 6: 11/4/74
Season 7: 12/1/75 (yes, December, but early December, and that's the only one not in November. And since 11/27/78 is 156, or 52 times 3, weeks after 12/1/75, that's most likely when they started rerunning seasons complete, uncut, and in order in between seasons. And indeed, Season 8 is 11/29/76 (52 weeks from 12/1/75), 11/28/77 (52 weeks both after 11/29/76 and before 11/28/77).

We don't know Seasons 11 - 14 for sure, but we do know Season 15, both from memories of people on SS boards and the debut of an episode from that season, 1839 on 11/24/83, that the premiere, obviously 1836, was obviulsy 11/21/83, which is indeed 260, or 52 times 5, weeks from 11/27/78. Then after the Season 24 finale, 3135, reran on 11/5/93 (520, or 52 times 10, weeks after 11/21/83), the first two weeks of Season 24, 3006 - 3015, aired a third time, then on 11/22/93, Season 25 premiered. Then when Season 30 premiered on 11/16/98 (260, or 52 times 5, weeks after 11/22/93), that was the last November season premiere, since there were fewer than 130 episodes per season starting in Season 30.

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Are you sure it was both on WNET and WLIW? WLIW I can understand, since it's a low budget station, but not WNET. Also, the recording I have of 1181 from 6/18/90, which I heard is from WNET, has the moog synthesizer. And I have a memory of, when I saw 1319 on 5/9/85 on WNET, seeing the moog synthesizer Anyway, apart from this, what I said about PBS animations isn't from memory, but from someone on the yahoo board who told me.

I could be wrong about 1984 (maybe it was 1985),

Now that I think of it, it was after SS on 5/9/85, not after MRN. But since that was a new episode, it's surprising that would be a moog synthesizer.


but I know for sure it did not have the PBS animation with the moog synthesizer in 1986.  I was specifically looking for it, and it wasn't there.  Maybe it was reintroduced sometime before 1990.  I remember that once the P Heads were intorduced (which I thought was the summer of 1984),

The P-Heads are actually the moog synthesizer; it's the Split P that was introduced in 1984. However, it wasn't the summer; it was Oct. 1, which is still between 1535 and 1536.


I never saw the animation with the moog syntheizer ever again.

And even if it wasn't on 6/2/86 that you saw 1066 on NET (or at least the end when they'd show the PBS ident), you definitely did on WNET at some point, and you stopped watching before 1990.

Come to think of it, since every known copy of every known black and white episode seems to still have the NET animation, that implies that the black and white episodes probably never aired after 1970.

But all those could be from recordings from before 1970, and there could be airings from after 1970 that weren't recorded (or at least in any recordings you saw). However, since NET changed to PBS on Oct. 5, 1970, and I have the last black and white episode on Aug. 21, I'm sure all airings were with NET animations.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 06, 2012, 11:57:07 AM

but I know for sure it did not have the PBS animation with the moog synthesizer in 1986.  I was specifically looking for it, and it wasn't there.  Maybe it was reintroduced sometime before 1990.  I remember that once the P Heads were intorduced (which I thought was the summer of 1984),

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The P-Heads are actually the moog synthesizer; it's the Split P that was introduced in 1984. However, it wasn't the summer; it was Oct. 1, which is still between 1535 and 1536.

I know, I mistyped.  What I meant to say is that after the Split P was introduced, I never saw the P Heads ever again on TV, even though I watched MRN regularly during the summer of 1986.

I never saw the animation with the moog syntheizer ever again.

And even if it wasn't on 6/2/86 that you saw 1066 on NET (or at least the end when they'd show the PBS ident), you definitely did on WNET at some point, and you stopped watching before 1990.

Again, once the Split P was introduced, I never saw the P Heads ever again on TV.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 06, 2012, 12:09:32 PM
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I have heard that the Exxon-Valdez oil spill in 1989 was one of the events that inspired The Environment week (as well as garbage washing up on beaches during the summers of 1987 and 1988).  I wonder if Daniel not appearing in The Environment week could have had anything to do with the fact that Exxon's mascott is a tiger.

That's really interesting, but somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 06, 2012, 12:12:17 PM
Actually, it's fairly obvious.  Creativity probably did not have a second airing in August 1982.

When I have time, maybe I'll fix the schedule to include Creativity  not reairing in August 1982, and another week airing between 2/2/81 and 5/21/82 (maybe (and most likely) after 2/1/82 so that you know what phenomenon could occur!)
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 06, 2012, 12:16:09 PM
I know, I mistyped.  What I meant to say is that after the Split P was introduced, I never saw the P Heads ever again on TV, even though I watched MRN regularly during the summer of 1986.

I understand what you meant. And in the time you watched regularly in the summer of 1986, I'm guessing most (and at least one) it was on WNET, at least for the end with the PBS ident.

Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 06, 2012, 12:17:28 PM
I know, I mistyped.  What I meant to say is that after the Split P was introduced, I never saw the P Heads ever again on TV, even though I watched MRN regularly during the summer of 1986.

I understand what you meant. And in the time you watched regularly in the summer of 1986, I'm guessing most (and at least one) it was on WNET, at least for the end with the PBS ident.



I watched on both WNET and WLIW, and neither used the P Heads that summer.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 06, 2012, 12:21:53 PM
I watched on both WNET and WLIW, and neither used the P Heads that summer.

If WNET didn't, since unlike WLIW it's not low budget, I'm sure it wasn't until  at some point between fall 1986 and 1990 or before that P Heads returned.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 06, 2012, 08:47:35 PM
Actually, it's fairly obvious.  Creativity probably did not have a second airing in August 1982.

I fixed it so that didn't happen, and I indeed have 1125 on 2/12/82!!!!!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 06, 2012, 09:55:53 PM
Actually, it's fairly obvious.  Creativity probably did not have a second airing in August 1982.

I fixed it so that didn't happen, and I indeed have 1125 on 2/12/82!!!!!

I'm still thinking that some of the "banned" weeks had to have aired in 1979 and 1981.  And I really doubt that the post-75s ran twice during the summer of 1981.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 06, 2012, 10:58:38 PM
Actually, it's fairly obvious.  Creativity probably did not have a second airing in August 1982.

I fixed it so that didn't happen, and I indeed have 1125 on 2/12/82!!!!!

If your schedule is correct, then 1125 is the only pre-79 ever to have aired on a Friday, Feb. 12!  I wonder if there is any other date like that.  You have it airing on that date in 1971 and 1982.  And post-75s aired on that date in 1988, 1993, and 1999.  And by 2010, MRN was airing only on Saturdays.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 07, 2012, 12:07:04 PM
I'm still thinking that some of the "banned" weeks had to have aired in 1979 and 1981.  

I still want to leave it until I hear specifically, even in an unofficial source which I haven't heard yet, otherwise.

And I really doubt that the post-75s ran twice during the summer of 1981.

But Competition did. Yes, it's the latest debut and no post-Labor Day debut reaired in the post-75 run until 1994, but since we know Competition did, I really think the other non-annual occasion weeks also did. And Superheroes did in 1980.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 07, 2012, 12:22:47 PM
If your schedule is correct, then 1125 is the only pre-79 ever to have aired on a Friday, Feb. 12!  

Yes!!!!!

I wonder if there is any other date like that.

1076 - 1124 on Monday, Nov. 30 - Thursday, Feb. 11 obviously! Though here's another:

1391 - 1420 on Monday, Aug. 22 - Friday, Sept. 30, unless by some chance those weren't post-75s in 1983, which I really think they were.

And if by some chance, which I'm not ruling out yet and still seems very possible, they did rerun the season 3 times in between season debuts rather than the past 3 seasons, that would be the case with color pre-79s with 1386 - 1390 on Monday, Aug. 12 - Friday, Aug. 16.

You have it airing on that date in 1971 and 1982.  And post-75s aired on that date in 1988, 1993, and 1999.  And by 2010, MRN was airing only on Saturdays.

And it hadn't yet debuted in 1965. As for the last one I mentioned, that would be the case for Monday, July 29 - Friday, Aug. 9 for color pre-79s if they reran the season 3 times and there weren't other pre-79s on those weeks in 1991. However, if they did rerun the season 3 times, at least it was the first 2 times that there were color pre-79s on those weeks!

Also, here's something else interesting -- if they did rerun the season 3 times in between seasons, the pre-79 that aired on Monday, Aug. 12 - Friday, Aug. 16s were most likely the last pre-79 week, either black and white or color, to ever air!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 07, 2012, 06:27:07 PM
I'm still thinking that some of the "banned" weeks had to have aired in 1979 and 1981.  

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I still want to leave it until I hear specifically, even in an unofficial source which I haven't heard yet, otherwise.

I don't think it will ever be officially confirmed either way, to be honest.  I think all we can go on are people's memories.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 07, 2012, 08:56:24 PM
I don't think it will ever be officially confirmed either way, to be honest.  

I'm still optimistic that one day, through Hedda or another official source, it will be confirmed.

I think all we can go on are people's memories.

But I think that, especially through this board, there'll be enough people's memories, even if what I said about an official source isn't true.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 07, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
I think all we can go on are people's memories.

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But I think that, especially through this board, there'll be enough people's memories, even if what I said about an official source isn't true.

At this point, I think we're the only 2 people reading this thread.  So you may want to post a new thread to find out if anyone has any memories of when those 4 weeks last aired.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mjb1124 on June 07, 2012, 11:47:20 PM
Just some thoughts regarding the postings on the previous pages:

I remember seeing 1001 at the Paley Center, and it had the trolley card followed by the 1971 "P-Heads" PBS logo (with the moog synthesizer).   Also, there was another one I watched (I forget which one, but I think it was from 1972 or 1973) that went from the credits right to the 1971 PBS logo with no trolley card.   So in all likelihood, 1001 was sourced from a post-1976 airing while the other episode was an older print.

Regarding PBS logos at the end of pre-79 episodes in the 80's/early 90's, I think it varied from station to station.   I don't recall ever seeing the P-Heads at the end of MRN on WNET, and I definitely would have noticed it if I did because that logo used to scare me.   Perhaps it was still used for a time into the mid-80's, but in all likelihood it was gone by 1988.   

Now, what I did notice is that the Amazon prints had the 1971 logo on episodes that last aired before 1989, and the 1989 logo on episodes that aired from 1989 on.    I was thinking that maybe the original prints with the 1971 logo were still used through 1988/early '89, but some stations plastered on the 1984 logo, and then after that the 1989 logo became standard on all prints.   But then again, someone said that a 1990 airing had the P-Heads, so even then it may have been up to the station.   I doubt that 1990 airing came from WNET though, unless it was a rare one-off situation where they forgot to put a newer logo at the end.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 08, 2012, 12:07:19 AM
Just some thoughts regarding the postings on the previous pages:

I remember seeing 1001 at the Paley Center, and it had the trolley card followed by the 1971 "P-Heads" PBS logo (with the moog synthesizer).   Also, there was another one I watched (I forget which one, but I think it was from 1972 or 1973) that went from the credits right to the 1971 PBS logo with no trolley card.   So in all likelihood, 1001 was sourced from a post-1976 airing while the other episode was an older print.

Yes, exactly.  That is the point I was trying to make.  It also makes me wonder if 1001 was one of the episodes that was edited.

Since the black and white episodes seem to exist only with the NET animation, it makes me think that they never aired after NET became PBS.

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Regarding PBS logos at the end of pre-79 episodes in the 80's/early 90's, I think it varied from station to station.   I don't recall ever seeing the P-Heads at the end of MRN on WNET, and I definitely would have noticed it if I did because that logo used to scare me.   Perhaps it was still used for a time into the mid-80's, but in all likelihood it was gone by 1988.   

It was gone by 1984 or 1985.  It was definitely not used in 1986.  Some people claim it was used in 1989, but your memory says otherwise, and I trust your memory.

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Now, what I did notice is that the Amazon prints had the 1971 logo on episodes that last aired before 1989, and the 1989 logo on episodes that aired from 1989 on.    I was thinking that maybe the original prints with the 1971 logo were still used through 1988/early '89, but some stations plastered on the 1984 logo, and then after that the 1989 logo became standard on all prints.   But then again, someone said that a 1990 airing had the P-Heads, so even then it may have been up to the station.   I doubt that 1990 airing came from WNET though, unless it was a rare one-off situation where they forgot to put a newer logo at the end.

That is interesting.  You mentioned that the P Heads used to scare you.  They never scared me, but I have heard of it scaring kids.  Maybe that could be why WNET and WLIW replaced it with the Split P between 1984 and 1989 even when an older episode reran.

The other crazy thing is that I don't remember seeing the trolley closing with the blue walled pre-79s.  I'm sure my memory is wrong, because I seriously doubt that WNET and WLIW would have removed the trolley closing.  And even if they did, they would have removed it from all episodes, not just some.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 08, 2012, 10:01:55 AM

At this point, I think we're the only 2 people reading this thread.  So you may want to post a new thread to find out if anyone has any memories of when those 4 weeks last aired.

Maybe I'll do that.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 08, 2012, 10:14:22 AM
From what you're saying, maybe P-Heads never aired on an airing of MRN on WNET or any station after the 9/28/84 airing of 1240. Keep in mind that no PBS ident that I've talked about is from memory. In fact, remember what I said about 5/9/85 not being from after MRN, but from Sesame Street. I never kept track of what PBS ident they were using for what show at any point in my life. This is all from someone on the yahoo board. One thing I remember him saying is that at the end of some PBS episodes from 1535 and before is that for some of those episodes, you could still hear the music for the P-Heads even though that wasn't the ident they were using. But that doesn't mean that it was ever used as much as once after 9/28/84.

The other crazy thing is that I don't remember seeing the trolley closing with the blue walled pre-79s.  I'm sure my memory is wrong, because I seriously doubt that WNET and WLIW would have removed the trolley closing.  

Definitely WNET didn't. Though I do think the only blue walled pre-79s you remember watching are 5/20/85 - 5/30/86.

And even if they did, they would have removed it from all episodes, not just some.

But your memory is about them removing it from all episodes!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 08, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
From what you're saying, maybe P-Heads never aired on an airing of MRN on WNET or any station after the 9/28/84 airing of 1240. Keep in mind that no PBS ident that I've talked about is from memory. In fact, remember what I said about 5/9/85 not being from after MRN, but from Sesame Street. I never kept track of what PBS ident they were using for what show at any point in my life. This is all from someone on the yahoo board. One thing I remember him saying is that at the end of some PBS episodes from 1535 and before is that for some of those episodes, you could still hear the music for the P-Heads even though that wasn't the ident they were using. But that doesn't mean that it was ever used as much as once after 9/28/84.

That I definitely don't remember.  That sounds weird.

The other crazy thing is that I don't remember seeing the trolley closing with the blue walled pre-79s.  I'm sure my memory is wrong, because I seriously doubt that WNET and WLIW would have removed the trolley closing.  

Definitely WNET didn't. Though I do think the only blue walled pre-79s you remember watching are 5/20/85 - 5/30/86.

And I don't remember seeing the trolley closing during that era, but I'm sure they had it.

And even if they did, they would have removed it from all episodes, not just some.

But your memory is about them removing it from all episodes!

No, since I remember it on the beige walled episodes.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 08, 2012, 11:49:18 AM
From what you're saying, maybe P-Heads never aired on an airing of MRN on WNET or any station after the 9/28/84 airing of 1240. Keep in mind that no PBS ident that I've talked about is from memory. In fact, remember what I said about 5/9/85 not being from after MRN, but from Sesame Street. I never kept track of what PBS ident they were using for what show at any point in my life. This is all from someone on the yahoo board. One thing I remember him saying is that at the end of some PBS episodes from 1535 and before is that for some of those episodes, you could still hear the music for the P-Heads even though that wasn't the ident they were using. But that doesn't mean that it was ever used as much as once after 9/28/84.

That I definitely don't remember.  That sounds weird.

What I meant is then at the earliest, and at some point between then and 6/2/86.



The other crazy thing is that I don't remember seeing the trolley closing with the blue walled pre-79s.  I'm sure my memory is wrong, because I seriously doubt that WNET and WLIW would have removed the trolley closing.  

Definitely WNET didn't. Though I do think the only blue walled pre-79s you remember watching are 5/20/85 - 5/30/86.

And I don't remember seeing the trolley closing during that era, but I'm sure they had it.

And even if they did, they would have removed it from all episodes, not just some.

But your memory is about them removing it from all episodes!


No, since I remember it on the beige walled episodes.

I meant all blue walled episodes.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mjb1124 on June 08, 2012, 02:56:52 PM
That is interesting.  You mentioned that the P Heads used to scare you.  They never scared me, but I have heard of it scaring kids.  Maybe that could be why WNET and WLIW replaced it with the Split P between 1984 and 1989 even when an older episode reran.

It was probably just for the sake of having the newest logo.   After all, the 1984 logo on 80's episodes got replaced with the one from 1989, and later with various PBS Kids logos.   I don't think that the "scare factor" of the 1971 logo became commonly known until the dawn of the internet, and even then I'm not sure if it would have been enough to cause them to remove it.

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The other crazy thing is that I don't remember seeing the trolley closing with the blue walled pre-79s.  I'm sure my memory is wrong, because I seriously doubt that WNET and WLIW would have removed the trolley closing.  And even if they did, they would have removed it from all episodes, not just some.

I definitely remember seeing the trolley closing on the pre-79 episodes aired during 1993-94 on WNET.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 08, 2012, 05:21:19 PM
I definitely remember seeing the trolley closing on the pre-79 episodes aired during 1993-94 on WNET.

What I meant is that I don't remember the trolley closing during the pre-79s in 1985 and 1986.  Not saying for certain that it wasn't used, just that I don't remember it.  I thought that on June 2, 1986, when 1066 aired, that I saw it for the first time in many years.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 08, 2012, 06:13:38 PM
Also, if the 4 weeks last aired in 1978 as he believes, why would they have decided not to air them by 1979, what would have changed, I know we've discussed possible reasons but wonder why they'd be an issue then.

I have a possible theory.  On the Yahoo board, someone said that episodes are cleared by the FCC to air for 10 years.  After 10 years, they have to reapply for clearance.  I don't know if that is true or not.  But it sort of makes sense, since most pre-79 weeks had their last airings about 19 years after their first airing, implying that they were re-cleared once during the early-mid 80s, and never again.  Maybe in 1979, they chose not to have those 4 weeks (or at least the 3 from 1969) re-cleared.  Maybe they considered Starting School, Superheroes, and Bubbleland to be replacements for them.

However, the Yahoo board did have someone who had a friend who thinks she remembered at least some of them airing as late as 1981.  So, who knows.

Nicky's premise as to why the 4 banned weeks didn't air in 1979 is that he doesn't think they would have wanted to interrupt the 1970 season, when Queen Sara was pregnant, with the debut of Superheroes, where Prince Tuesday was a school-age kid.  That makes sense.  But the same person who remembers some of the 4 banned weeks airing in 1981 also thought she remembered Superheroes airing while Sara was pregnant, and being surprised by that.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on June 08, 2012, 08:05:32 PM
I think the event taking pace in October 1995 that had them having the debut of Mad Feelngs that week was to cincide with the OJ verdict as that would have caused some emotional reactions all over the news.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 08, 2012, 09:01:57 PM
I think the event taking pace in October 1995 that had them having the debut of Mad Feelngs that week was to cincide with the OJ verdict as that would have caused some emotional reactions all over the news.

I don't know.  I think that schedule was published before they knew when the verdict would be reached and what it would be.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on June 09, 2012, 09:02:42 AM
While they wouldn't have known when the verdict would be when they set the schedule and may not have thought of it when they made the episodes, I was thinking maybe they made a change and moved its airing up up since as mentioned it's the only week with an October debut, I wonder if they ever made a planned schedule change to air a week they felt may have coincided well with an event in the news.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 09, 2012, 11:11:38 AM
While they wouldn't have known when the verdict would be when they set the schedule and may not have thought of it when they made the episodes, I was thinking maybe they made a change and moved its airing up up since as mentioned it's the only week with an October debut,

I don't think so, since Mad Feeling was on the schedule for that week before the schedule was even completed.

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I wonder if they ever made a planned schedule change to air a week they felt may have coincided well with an event in the news.

That is an interesting question, and unless someone has a specific memory, it's unlikely that we'd ever be able to answer definitively.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 10, 2012, 01:49:44 AM
Thnking more about the schedule: Nicky mentioned an article saying that 1354 aired Jan. 29, 1981.  Let's assume that is correct.  And we'll assume that all 4 of the banned weeks aired during what he calls "the bulk".  If all 4 banned weeks aired in 1979, then for 1354 to have aired on Jan. 29, 1981, then no post-75s could have reran.  That is extremely unlikelly, since, at a minimum, Starting School almost certainly reran in August 1980.

If one banned week did not air in 1979 (most likely 1036-1040, since it's the oldest, and the only one that anyone has a definitive reason as to why it didn't air, and the only one that the Yahoo poster's friend that I mentioned didn't really remember), then Starting School could have reran in August 1980, but there would have been no other post-75 reruns.

If 2 banned weeks did not air in 1979, then Starting School would have reran in August 1980, and Superheroes would have had its May 26-30, 1980 airing that Nicky listed.

If 3 banned weeks did not air in 1979 (most likely the 3 from 1969), then all of the above would have reran, and Bubbleland would have reran at some point (most likely in August 1980).

If all 4 of the banned weeks did no air in 1979, then either Superheroes or (less likely) Bubbleland had a 3rd airing.  But that seems very unlikely, since I can't imagine either of those weeks airing 3 times in one year.

Since it would make sense for 1051-1055 and 1056-1060 to have been banned at the same time, of these theories, the one that makes the most sense is banning the 3 1969 weeks in 1979, but still running 1071-1075 that year.

After that, the schedule gets too confusing, since there are too many different possible combinations.  Interestingly, 1191-1195 would air May 24-28, 1982 if all 4 of the banned weeks aired in 1981, which could not have possibly happened.  It would also mean a long break between 1005 and 1006, which is a very bad place for a break.  It's possible that in the summer of 1981 they inserted a few random pre-79s just like they did during the spring of 1986 in order to stall, but that would be impossible to ever figure out.

For 1981, we have the following scenarios:

If 1 banned week did not air, then Play would have probably reran Aug. 31-Sept. 4, 1981.

If 2 baned weeks did not air, then maybe Bubbleland reran Feb. 23-27, 1981 (in addition to Play Aug. 31-Sept. 4).

If 3 banned weeks did not air, then maybe both Bubbleland and Superheroes reran in February / March 1981.

I can't think of any plausible scenario for all 4 weeks to have been banned.

So I'm starting to wonder if maybe the 3 1969 weeks last aired in 1978, and then 1071-1075 maybe last aired in 1981.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 10, 2012, 09:11:50 PM
That is interesting.  You mentioned that the P Heads used to scare you.  They never scared me, but I have heard of it scaring kids.  Maybe that could be why WNET and WLIW replaced it with the Split P between 1984 and 1989 even when an older episode reran

It was probably just for the sake of having the newest logo.   After all, the 1984 logo on 80's episodes got replaced with the one from 1989, and later with various PBS Kids logos.   I don't think that the "scare factor" of the 1971 logo became commonly known until the dawn of the internet, and even then I'm not sure if it would have been enough to cause them to remove it.

Just out of curiosity, what did people find so scary about that logo?  Was it the animation or the music?  And why would that not be known until the internet?  Also, I have read that some kids found the trolley closing scary.  Again, what was so scary about that?  I thought it was cute.  I know there are 3 versions of the trolley closing.  Did kids maybe find one of them scarier than others?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 10, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
By the way, this shows the various PBS logos over the year.  Among other things, it lists some MRN episodes with various logos:
http://www.closinglogos.com/page/Public+Broadcasting+Service

I wonder why 1271 has the 1971 logo, when it last aired in 1991.  This also basically proves that the black and white episodes didn't air after Oct. 2, 1970.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 10:09:11 AM
What I meant is that I don't remember the trolley closing during the pre-79s in 1985 and 1986.  Not saying for certain that it wasn't used, just that I don't remember it.  I thought that on June 2, 1986, when 1066 aired, that I saw it for the first time in many years.

Maybe if you thought you didn't remember the trolley closing when you saw it on 6/2/86 and it was used on all pre-79s on 5/30 and before, that's also the case with the P-Heads.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 10:17:00 AM
I have a possible theory.  On the Yahoo board, someone said that episodes are cleared by the FCC to air for 10 years.  After 10 years, they have to reapply for clearance.  I don't know if that is true or not.  But it sort of makes sense, since most pre-79 weeks had their last airings about 19 years after their first airing, implying that they were re-cleared once during the early-mid 80s, and never again. 

And as it happens, 1386 - 1390 is the only pre-79 to have aired as many as 21 years after its debut, or even 20! So that could be the only pre-79 to have reapplied for clearance more than once. It also makes me wonder if they were going to ever air it as the only pre-79 after 8/11/95, but changed their minds by the time they made the 1995 - 96 schedule.

Maybe in 1979, they chose not to have those 4 weeks (or at least the 3 from 1969) re-cleared.  Maybe they considered Starting School, Superheroes, and Bubbleland to be replacements for them.

Yes, and that takes up what's technically the 1978 - 79 and 1979 - 80 seasons, or Seasons 11 and 12. Though even though it's from the 1980 - 81 season and one out of three weeks, I wonder if Divorce could be a replacement for 1071 - 1075.

However, the Yahoo board did have someone who had a friend who thinks she remembered at least some of them airing as late as 1981.  So, who knows.

I still won't change the schedule until it's an officially confirmed memory.

Nicky's premise as to why the 4 banned weeks didn't air in 1979 is that he doesn't think they would have wanted to interrupt the 1970 season, when Queen Sara was pregnant, with the debut of Superheroes, where Prince Tuesday was a school-age kid.  That makes sense.  But the same person who remembers some of the 4 banned weeks airing in 1981 also thought she remembered Superheroes airing while Sara was pregnant, and being surprised by that.

It's possible then that at least one of the banned weeks did air in 1979, realized that interrupting the pregnancy with a week featuring Tuesday as a kid was a mistake, and changed their minds by 1989 when they decided to skip Starting School to avoid that.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 10:36:29 AM
I don't think the OJ verdict had anything to do with the scheduling of Mad Feelings. First, the OJ verdict was Oct. 3, just two weeks before it debuted, and I think that if it had to do with the OJ verdict, even if they felt it would be good for kids to be comforted by it, they'd schedule a certain week on account of it as early as two weeks in advance. And also, the OJ verdict was very unpredictable. Everyone was expecting him to be guilty or not guilty, and instead it was a mistrial. I think the scheduling of Mad Feelings, if anything, had more to do with Halloween. Or at least the madness week, which Hedda confirmed was every year starting that year (however, Mad Feelings didn't air that week in 1996, but maybe that's because they thought of only having the debut in honor of that madness week, but then in 1997, decided it was important to honor that week every year). And as for Halloween, that could be the reason for that madness week, since Halloween is about being scary, and some people scare by being mad.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 11:06:53 AM
If one banned week did not air in 1979 (most likely 1036-1040, since it's the oldest, and the only one that anyone has a definitive reason as to why it didn't air, and the only one that the Yahoo poster's friend that I mentioned didn't really remember),

I think that 1071 - 1075 also has a definitive reason as to why it didn't air -- the lab rats.

If 3 banned weeks did not air in 1979 (most likely the 3 from 1969), then all of the above would have reran, and Bubbleland would have reran at some point (most likely in August 1980).

This is what logically makes the most sense as to what could have aired, not because of the idea of exactly 3 weeks being banned in 1979, but because of what would air instead. However, again thinking logically, not with what I've heard specifically aired in the schedule, what makes the most sense is not this scenario, but Superheroes and Bubbleland both airing in August 1980 attached to Starting School, and Superheroes not airing May 26 - 30, 1980. Because that would mean that for all of 1980 - 1982, each post-75 would air exactly once as part of a summer post-75 run, and that tradition would continue into 1983 and beyond, except the post-75 run wouldn't be in the summer (or all in the summer).


Since it would make sense for 1051-1055 and 1056-1060 to have been banned at the same time, of these theories, the one that makes the most sense is banning the 3 1969 weeks in 1979, but still running 1071-1075 that year.

I agree. Though why would 1051 - 1055 and 1056 - 1060 be banned at the same time? Because 1051 - 1055 carries over to 1056 - 1060?


After that, the schedule gets too confusing, since there are too many different possible combinations.

I will figure out those combinations if it comes down to that.


It's possible that in the summer of 1981 they inserted a few random pre-79s just like they did during the spring of 1986 in order to stall, but that would be impossible to ever figure out.

Though I will figure it out. I'm thinking that if they stalled just like in spring 1986, it was between 1445 and 1446. (or maybe 1450 and 1451 or 1455 and 1456, which, even though is bad, they interrupted there in 1979 for a somewhat random interruption. But 1445/1446 is still most likely).



For 1981, we have the following scenarios:

I'm starting to think that if anything, no banned week other than 1071 - 1075 aired in 1981. Not because of what I said above that 3 weeks not airing makes sense, but because we do know that there were 4 banned weeks, and while we know that 1071 - 1075 didn't air twice while the 1970 season was still airing, we don't know of any 1969 season airings while the 3 1969 banned weeks weren't airing. We thought that happened in 1983 - 84, but apparently, no post-1030 1969 week aired.


If 3 banned weeks did not air, then maybe both Bubbleland and Superheroes reran in February / March 1981.

That actually makes the most sense, although I'm thinking May or June 1981 as I have it in my schedule. And I'm thinking it was Superheroes and Divorce, since those are the two Talks to Parents weeks.

I can't think of any plausible scenario for all 4 weeks to have been banned.

The one I can think of, which is how I have it, which is how I have it, is if Bubbleland did air in the May or June 1981 post-75 run, and it wasn't just Talks to Parents.

So I'm starting to wonder if maybe the 3 1969 weeks last aired in 1978, and then 1071-1075 maybe last aired in 1981.

I'm also wondering if just maybe, that Jan. 29, 1981 article is from a station that aired the previous week's episode, or 2 or 3  or more weeks earlier.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 11, 2012, 11:14:22 AM
What I meant is that I don't remember the trolley closing during the pre-79s in 1985 and 1986.  Not saying for certain that it wasn't used, just that I don't remember it.  I thought that on June 2, 1986, when 1066 aired, that I saw it for the first time in many years.

Maybe if you thought you didn't remember the trolley closing when you saw it on 6/2/86 and it was used on all pre-79s on 5/30 and before, that's also the case with the P-Heads.

No.  I specifically remember the trolley closing on 6/2/86, and the entire summer of 1986.  What I meant is that I thought that 6/2/86 was the first time I had seen it in years, even though I should have seen it for the previous several months (except for Celebrations).  Since I saw the trolley closing (along with many other elements) for the first time in years (or so I thought), I was specifically looking for the P heads, but they weren't there.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 11:19:54 AM


No.  I specifically remember the trolley closing on 6/2/86, and the entire summer of 1986.  What I meant is that I thought that 6/2/86 was the first time I had seen it in years, even though I should have seen it for the previous several months (except for Celebrations).  Since I saw the trolley closing (along with many other elements) for the first time in years (or so I thought), I was specifically looking for the P heads, but they weren't there.

That's what I meant. I didn't say you didn't see the trolley closing on 6/2/86 and all through the summer, but more the opposite -- similar to how on 5/30/86 and before you thought you didn't see the trolley closing but you obviously did, you also thought you didn't see the P-Heads but you obviously did.

Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mjb1124 on June 11, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
Just out of curiosity, what did people find so scary about that logo?  Was it the animation or the music?  And why would that not be known until the internet?  Also, I have read that some kids found the trolley closing scary.  Again, what was so scary about that?  I thought it was cute.  I know there are 3 versions of the trolley closing.  Did kids maybe find one of them scarier than others?

In my case with the PBS logo, it was definitely the music.   Something about the Moog synthesizer sounds just bugged me as a kid - I guess they just seemed really harsh and alien to me at the time.   That seems to be the consensus with that logo from what I've seen.   I suppose that in my case, it might not have helped that I didn't see the logo that much, and so when I did it really caught me off guard.   T

The trolley cards never bothered me, but I could imagine that for those that did, it was probably also the music - maybe the fast pace of it and the way it came on rather suddenly at times.    I would say that the versions used from 1011-1390 sound more dramatic and therefore might have a higher "scare factor", but it's tough for me to say for sure.   It's also possible that the fact that the trolley cards were followed by the PBS logo caused some guilt by association - I remember reading similar accounts of the "funky chimes" music from Sesame Street.

By the way, I was at the Paley Center yesterday, where you can now freely browse anything you want in their digital archives for 90 minutes.   I re-watched the closing of 1001, and discovered that the trolley music for that episode (and presumably 1002-1010) is actually different from what was heard on the 1975-76 episodes.   It's similar, but perhaps slightly slower, softer, and more lushly orchestrated, making for a slightly more "dreamy" sound.   So there's actually at least four versions of the trolley closing.

Also, regarding 1271, that's the one pre-79 episode on Amazon that went right from the copyright notice to the PBS logo.   So that was probably a case of using the original pre-76 print for whatever reason.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 11, 2012, 11:20:56 AM
I have a possible theory.  On the Yahoo board, someone said that episodes are cleared by the FCC to air for 10 years.  After 10 years, they have to reapply for clearance.  I don't know if that is true or not.  But it sort of makes sense, since most pre-79 weeks had their last airings about 19 years after their first airing, implying that they were re-cleared once during the early-mid 80s, and never again.

And as it happens, 1386 - 1390 is the only pre-79 to have aired as many as 21 years after its debut, or even 20! So that could be the only pre-79 to have reapplied for clearance more than once. It also makes me wonder if they were going to ever air it as the only pre-79 after 8/11/95, but changed their minds by the time they made the 1995 - 96 schedule.

That could be.  Or, another theory is maybe since 1386-1390 didn't air in 1984 (nor did any 1974 episode), maybe they waited until 1985 to renew the clearance, and then it would have been good until 1995.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 11, 2012, 11:23:40 AM


No.  I specifically remember the trolley closing on 6/2/86, and the entire summer of 1986.  What I meant is that I thought that 6/2/86 was the first time I had seen it in years, even though I should have seen it for the previous several months (except for Celebrations).  Since I saw the trolley closing (along with many other elements) for the first time in years (or so I thought), I was specifically looking for the P heads, but they weren't there.

That's what I meant. I didn't say you didn't see the trolley closing on 6/2/86 and all through the summer, but more the opposite -- similar to how on 5/30/86 and before you thought you didn't see the trolley closing but you obviously did, you also thought you didn't see the P-Heads but you obviously did.



No, because I was specifically looking for the P Heads, and they weren't there.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 11, 2012, 11:31:53 AM
Just out of curiosity, what did people find so scary about that logo?  Was it the animation or the music?  And why would that not be known until the internet?  Also, I have read that some kids found the trolley closing scary.  Again, what was so scary about that?  I thought it was cute.  I know there are 3 versions of the trolley closing.  Did kids maybe find one of them scarier than others?

In my case with the PBS logo, it was definitely the music.   Something about the Moog synthesizer sounds just bugged me as a kid - I guess they just seemed really harsh and alien to me at the time.   That seems to be the consensus with that logo from what I've seen.   I suppose that in my case, it might not have helped that I didn't see the logo that much, and so when I did it really caught me off guard.  

That makes sense.  I'm guessing you are a few years younger than me.  Since for me, the P Heads was the main PBS logo that I associated with my MRN days, so I saw it every day for the first 5 years of my life, so it never caught me off guard.

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The trolley cards never bothered me, but I could imagine that for those that did, it was probably also the music - maybe the fast pace of it and the way it came on rather suddenly at times.

That makes sense, since it wasn't part of the original episode and maybe didn't fit in with the rest of the music.

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   I would say that the versions used from 1011-1390 sound more dramatic and therefore might have a higher "scare factor", but it's tough for me to say for sure.   It's also possible that the fact that the trolley cards were followed by the PBS logo caused some guilt by association - I remember reading similar accounts of the "funky chimes" music from Sesame Street.

Another good point.  Some kids may not have differentiated between the trolley closing and the 1971 PBS logo.

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By the way, I was at the Paley Center yesterday, where you can now freely browse anything you want in their digital archives for 90 minutes.   I re-watched the closing of 1001, and discovered that the trolley music for that episode (and presumably 1002-1010) is actually different from what was heard on the 1975-76 episodes.   It's similar, but perhaps slightly slower, softer, and more lushly orchestrated, making for a slightly more "dreamy" sound.   So there's actually at least four versions of the trolley closing.

Interesting.  That one sounds like, if anything, it should be more pleasant to listen to.  So I wonder why it was dropped so quickly.  I wonder if there is any way that Tim could post a sound clip of that closing.

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Also, regarding 1271, that's the one pre-79 episode on Amazon that went right from the copyright notice to the PBS logo.   So that was probably a case of using the original pre-76 print for whatever reason.

I wonder why.  Here is a theory.  Maybe that episode was never edited, but the others that are on Amazon were edited.  Or maybe, for whatever reason, Amazon preferred the unedited version of 1271.  Technically, that should have been called Episode 401, not 1271.

Which PBS logo does the Amazon version of episodes that last aired during the mid-90s have, such as 1425?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 11:57:56 AM
Thinking about PBS idents and trolley closings that could scare people, personally, none of either used to scare me. However, I could see the P-Heads scaring people, particularly, that long note that plays in the beginning as the P and "public" are forming." And of the trolley closings, I could see the 1391 - 1460 scaring kids the most, since it is fast paced, and the music does sound particularly creepy. And even though I have seen 1001 in recent years at the Paley Center, I don't remember it being different from the other three, and in fact, I always assumed it was similar one of the 1001 - 1390 ones.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 11, 2012, 06:25:34 PM
Thinking about PBS idents and trolley closings that could scare people, personally, none of either used to scare me. However, I could see the P-Heads scaring people, particularly, that long note that plays in the beginning as the P and "public" are forming." And of the trolley closings, I could see the 1391 - 1460 scaring kids the most, since it is fast paced, and the music does sound particularly creepy. And even though I have seen 1001 in recent years at the Paley Center, I don't remember it being different from the other three, and in fact, I always assumed it was similar one of the 1001 - 1390 ones.

Here is a theory.  Maybe they started with the trolley closing in Episodes 1391-1460.  Maybe they got complaints that kids found it scary (maybe since it was so unexpected at the time), so they maybe softened it up in 1001-1010.  And maybe they still got complaints, so they changed it completely and made it slower paced for 1011-1390.

The strange thing is, I have absolutely no recollection of the short version of the trolley closing, since, as I said, when i was a kid, I didn't think 1391-1460 had the trolley closing.  I wonder if at the time if maybe WNET and WLIW could have removed it if they thought that it was scaring kids.  But maybe they kept it for 1066-1390 (I have no recollection of ever seeing any episodes earlier than 1066) if that version didn't bother kids.

I do agree with the "guilt by association" theory that maybe some kids didn't realize that the trolley closing was seperate from the 1971 PBS animation.  I also wonder if the people who found the 1971 PBS animation and/or the trolley closing to be scary were mostly kids who watched MRN during the late 80s and later when they didn't see either of them very often.  As I said before, I saw the 1971 PBS animation every day as a kid for the first 5 years of my life whenever I'd watch MRN, and I'd see the trolley closing more often than not (since there were at the time more pre-79s than post-75s) so they never scared me.  Maybe they both scared kids more later on when they'd be more unexpected.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 07:56:21 PM
Here is a theory.  Maybe they started with the trolley closing in Episodes 1391-1460.  Maybe they got complaints that kids found it scary (maybe since it was so unexpected at the time), so they maybe softened it up in 1001-1010.  And maybe they still got complaints, so they changed it completely and made it slower paced for 1011-1390.

I'm sorry to say this, but that theory makes absolutely no sense at all. First of all, it's only my personal opinion about 1391 - 1460, and a lot of people, even in this very thread, disagree with me and that the 1011 - 1390 is the scary one. Second, if there were complaints about the 1001 - 1010 and 1391 - 1460 ones being scary, even if 1001 - 1010 one debuted on 2/23/76, all they'd have to do is redo those 80 episodes to make them like 1011 - 1390. Because if they can add any version of the trolley closing to as many as 460 episodes, they could definitely redo only 80 of those 460, and since the first bulk airing of 1391 - 1460 immediately followed the first bulk airing of 1390, and then after the first bulk airing of 1460, 1001 -1010 immediately followed, one then after that, 1011 - 1390 immediately followed, it's not like they gave up on redoing the trolley closings after 1390, or that years later, they realized that for whatever reason they couldn't redo them anymore. And also, if they realized that 1001 - 1010 was too scary for kids, it wouldn't take only 2 weeks for them to redo it. And also, keep in mind that from someone on the yahoo board who gave me episodes, the copy of 1455 I have is from the either the 1993 or 1994 airing (I don't know exactly which of those, but definitely one of them, so either the last or next-to-last), it's not like they ever redid the 1391 - 1460 closings. I really think that it has to do with the amount of credits. Remember that for 1391 - 1460, they had a voiceover with Johnson & Johnson and several other credits, and they had all the credits they needed (if you notice, 1391 - 1460 has no credits on the graphic while all of 1001 - 1390 do), so they only had a 4 second closing. And those credits I'm sure debuted with 1391 on 2/17/75. And they realized that when the bulk started, every episode must have those additional credits, so they tacked them on to the closing, and that's why those are longer. And maybe, for some reason, there were fewer credits necessary for 1001 - 1010 than 1011 - 1390. Maybe for some reason, they had fewer sponsors for 1001 - 1010 for some reason. Maybe there were certain features that debuted in 1011 that had a sponsor that needed to be acknowledged. So therefore this makes me wonder, would you know of any feature that debuted in 1011?

The strange thing is, I have absolutely no recollection of the short version of the trolley closing, since, as I said, when i was a kid, I didn't think 1391-1460 had the trolley closing.  I wonder if at the time if maybe WNET and WLIW could have removed it if they thought that it was scaring kids.  But maybe they kept it for 1066-1390 (I have no recollection of ever seeing any episodes earlier than 1066) if that version didn't bother kids.

I do agree with the "guilt by association" theory that maybe some kids didn't realize that the trolley closing was seperate from the 1971 PBS animation.  I also wonder if the people who found the 1971 PBS animation and/or the trolley closing to be scary were mostly kids who watched MRN during the late 80s and later when they didn't see either of them very often.  As I said before, I saw the 1971 PBS animation every day as a kid for the first 5 years of my life whenever I'd watch MRN, and I'd see the trolley closing more often than not (since there were at the time more pre-79s than post-75s) so they never scared me.  Maybe they both scared kids more later on when they'd be more unexpected.


I don't think that makes sense at all. If it scared kids in the late 80s, it definitely also scared kids on 8/22/77 with the first bulk airing of 1391, or 2/23/76 with the first bulk airing of 1001, both of which was when the P Heads were airing, as was, on the off chance you're right, 2/17/75 when 1391 debuted. Yes, kids may have been different in the late 80s than they were in 1975, 1976, or 1977, but I don't see anything about what could have happened between 1975, 1976, or 1977 and the late 80s to have made kids more scared of the P Heads immediately following the 4 second trolley graphic.

However, this did make me wonder something -- here's a theory as to why when you saw 1066 on 6/2/86, you thought you didn't remember the trolley closing -- maybe since the 1391 - 1460 was only 4 seconds, it went by so quickly that you missed it, or you didn't really take it in. What do you think of that theory?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 11, 2012, 09:56:57 PM
My point is that people like us who saw the P Heads and the trolley closing were expecting it and were not scared of them.  Maybe people who are younger than us and only saw the P heads and/or trolley closing occasionally and didn't expect to see it are the ones who were scared by it.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mjb1124 on June 11, 2012, 10:05:33 PM
1001-1010 had the same funding credits on the trolley card as the rest of the 1969-70 episodes (Johnson & Johnson/Public Television Stations/Ford Foundation/CPB).   But notice that the J&J credit was displayed in a smaller font than in subsequent episodes.   Starting with 1011, the font was made bigger, AND the funding credits were displayed for a bit longer due to the lengthened music.   I'm guessing that both of these changes were made in order to make the funding credits easier to read.

Then, of course, an extra frame of credits was added for Friday episodes from 1973-74, necessitating an even longer music piece.   And there were no funding credits whatsoever on 1975-76 episodes, so those featured the shortest version of the music.   Basically, the music depended on how the funding credits (or lack thereof) were displayed.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 11, 2012, 10:18:20 PM
By the way, I wonder if some of the seemingly random weeks that were moved for no aparent reason could have been either so that a particular episode would air during pledge week, or to avoid having a particular episode air during pledge week.  I wonder if anyone would have a list of which weeks were pledge weeks each year.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 10:23:14 PM
My point is that people like us who saw the P Heads and the trolley closing were expecting it and were not scared of them.  Maybe people who are younger than us and only saw the P heads and/or trolley closing occasionally and didn't expect to see it are the ones who were scared by it.

Even so, there was always a time when kids didn't see the P heads or the trolley closing and then they did. Before 1971, kids saw the NET and then they saw the P Heads. Before 8/22/77, kids saw the 9 and 13 second closings and then they saw the, at least in my opinion and only to compare and contrast, scarier 4 second. Before 2/23/76, kids most likely saw no trolley closings at all and then they saw the one from 1001 - 1010. If at any of those times or after, they felt like the P Heads, 4 second trolley closing, and 1001 - 1010 trolley closing were too scary, they would have gotten rid of them, but they didn't. So that proves that even if they seemed scary to us, the people at MRN or PBS didn't feel they were so scary to kids that they had to be banned.

By the way, I realized something interesting. The trolley closing that we feel is scariest debuted in 1391, and 1391 - 1395 deals with giants, which could come across as scary!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 10:36:03 PM
1001-1010 had the same funding credits on the trolley card as the rest of the 1969-70 episodes (Johnson & Johnson/Public Television Stations/Ford Foundation/CPB).   But notice that the J&J credit was displayed in a smaller font than in subsequent episodes.   Starting with 1011, the font was made bigger, AND the funding credits were displayed for a bit longer due to the lengthened music.   I'm guessing that both of these changes were made in order to make the funding credits easier to read.

Yes, maybe it just took those two weeks to figure out just the right size and length for those credits.

Then, of course, an extra frame of credits was added for Friday episodes from 1973-74, necessitating an even longer music piece.  

I do wonder why it is that Friday episodes have special credits. But then again, I really think that PBS really likes to take advantage of Fridays for credits for reasons I don't understand. Up until Season 33 (episode 4030), when the amount of episodes per season was no longer an amount of episodes equal to a multiple of 5, Sesame Street had credits only on Friday episodes, and I believe the same was true for other Children's Television Workshop shows, such as The Electric Company, 3-2-1 Contact, and Square One, which I think also always had the multiple of 5 episodes per season, and like MRN, for all those shows (and SS up through Season 33) never had a partial week of new episodes each week. And as for MRN, in the early post-75s, there was something special for credits in the Friday episodes. 1465 and 1475 (I think) had the headings for the credits in blue (just like the theme was), and in 1470 (I think), the credits were on a scroll rather than a list in stills. In 1480 and beyond, however, nothing special on Friday credits.

And there were no funding credits whatsoever on 1975-76 episodes, so those featured the shortest version of the music.   Basically, the music depended on how the funding credits (or lack thereof) were displayed.

Exactly! So that proves that the reason for 1011 - 1390 having longer trolley closings had nothing to do with the fact the 1391 - 1460 and 1001 - 1010 ones were scarier to kids.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 11, 2012, 11:18:05 PM
By the way, I wonder if some of the seemingly random weeks that were moved for no aparent reason could have been either so that a particular episode would air during pledge week, or to avoid having a particular episode air during pledge week.  I wonder if anyone would have a list of which weeks were pledge weeks each year.

I can definitely do that. I'll start by saying that pledge weeks were usually in December, March, and August were when the pledge drives were, and March was two weeks while the others were one weeks, and so this means that the annual occasion weeks of Starting School and Secrets often aired during pledge week. And of those two, Starting School airing pledge week makes total sense, since it's a very important week. And in fact, that's my theory as to why Starting School aired one week earlier in 1992 than it did in the other years from 1990 - 2001. Pledge week was always 14 weeks before Thanksgiving in that era, which would be the week Starting School aired in all those years (except 1990, when pledge week could have been then). However, in 1992, that was the week of one of the Conventions (I forget whether it was the Democratic or Republican, but that's moot), which would be that Monday - Thursday. Since the time they'd air pledge material (or at least adult pledge material) would be in prime time when the Convention would air, they moved the pledge drive to the earlier week. Interestingly enough, when Starting School aired one week earlier in relation to Thanksgiving in 2002 and 2003, pledge week was also earlier. However, in 2004 and 2005, when it did air one week earlier, pledge week was the same week in relation to Thanksgiving as 2002 and 2003, so that could have been the first time, since 1990 at the latest, that Starting School didn't air pledge week.

Interestingly enough, in 1988, Starting School did air the same week in relation to Thanksgiving as it did in 1991 and 1993 - 2001, but we know that wasn't pledge week, because that week was also one of the Conventions! So the decision to air it pledge week had to have started in 1990 or 1991. Although maybe it was from earlier. In all of 1980 - 1985 (except for most likely 1982), it also aired that same week in relation to Thanksgiving, but in 1986 and 1987 one week earlier. The reason for the one week earlier, especially in 1986 when it breaks a carryover, could be because for some reason, because they decided to make pledge week one week earlier. And it's possible that was also the case in 1986 - 1988, they didn't have it in relation to Thanksgiving, but more because it was the week of the second Monday in August or something like that. In fact, the second Monday does make sense, since I really do think it was Aug. 14 - 18, 1989, and though it was skipped then, Starting School always aired that week  every other time since 1978 that Aug. 14 was a Monday. I actually do specifically remember that in 1985 it was the week Starting School aired, so maybe in 1986, in addition to (and probably as a reason for explaining) Starting School moving one week earlier, pledge week also moved one week earlier. Incidentally, in 1980 and 1984, was one of the Conventions the week Starting School aired? if not, then maybe the pledge week theory is wrong, although in 1980, I'm sure it was more about the MRN Summer.

Also, since the March pledge week was also in relation to Thanksgiving (15 and 16 weeks after), Secrets aired pledge week in all years except 1991, 1996, 2001, 2003 (yes, that was 16 weeks after Thanksgiving, but like with August, in 2003 it was 14 and 15 weeks after instead, but it was back to 15 and 16 in 2004), and 2007. However, we know that's more in relation to Fred's birthday than pledge.

Anyway, apart from Starting School and Secrets, here are out of proper position and debuts that aired pledge week:

Remember in December 1984 and 1985, Pets and Friends were switched and Creativity was moved. Interestingly enough, with Thanksgiving one week later in 1985 than in 1984, assuming that pledge week was the same in relation to Thanksgiving as later years (I really don't remember just when it was in those years), in 1984, it would be the week Discipline aired, which is proper position so that's irrelevant, and in 1985, it was the week Friends aired. It's possible that it wasn't in relation to Thanksgiving, and Friends was moved to air pledge week. And that does actually make sense since it is somewhat important and has 2 of the fewest episodes to go to video. But I really think it was more so Pets could air as close to Christmas as possible, and all before Christmas.

In March 1987, the debut of Dance was the next-to-last week of the post-75 run (March 9 - 13), and the last two weeks of the post-75 run, Making & Creating and Celebrations were switched, so the latter aired March 2 - 6 and the former ended the post-75 run March 16 - 20. I don't remember whether the pledge drive was in relation to Thanksgiving that year, so I don't know whether it was March 2 - 13 or 9 - 20. No matter what, the debut is pledge week, which makes sense. And Dance is a very important week since it has Arthur Mitchell and the Dance Theatre of Harlem and Shamu the whale. And of the two weeks that were switched, Celebrations, at least in my opinion, is a bigger week than Making & Creating, because of the opera and Wynton Marsalis, so maybe that means it was March 2 - 13 and that's why those two weeks were switched.

In March 1988, the debut of Nighttime was the same week of Dance, March 7 - 11. And again, I don't remember which two weeks were pledge, but the debut was most likely during pledge week, as I'm pretty much positive it was either Feb. 29 - March 11 or March 7 - 18. And Nighttime is a very important week because of the Russian visit and Fred's visit to Moscow.

Conflict was moved to Dec. 5 - 9, 1988, which I know was pledge week. And Conflict is an important week.

Music was moved to March 6 - 10, 1989, which I know was pledge week, and that I could see as an important week since it has Yo-Yo Ma, Ella Jenkins, and the festival.

It's very possible that Friends rearing Aug. 13 - 17, 1990 could have to do with pledge week.

Learning was moved to March 8 - 12, 1993, which I know was pledge week, and Learning could be considered an important week. Although that could also be because it debuted before Labor Day 1992, it aired on and after Labor Day 1993 (and they felt at that time, though they changed their minds later, that it was more important for after Labor Day), but they didn't want to have it in the post-75 run without skip an entire Labor Day - Labor Day year, and in its proper position, it would be too close to Labor Day 1993 (although it also aired in its proper position in 1994 and 1995, but that was to phase out the pre-79s, which they didn't care as much about doing in 1993)

Interestingly enough, that's all I can think of in the proper position era.




Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 12, 2012, 11:15:05 AM
I seem to remember MRN being delayed or even pre-empted completely during pledge week.  So, if anything, they should have aired less important episodes during pledge week if they were not even going to air.

I do wonder why late September, early October, and early November seem to often have episodes airing outside their proper position.  They aren't months that have pledge week.  In 1989, I wonder if Feb. 27 - Mar. 3 could have been pledge week, since Nighttime aired that week, seemingly randomly.  But that doesn't explain the other out of proper position weeks in January 1989.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 12, 2012, 12:31:44 PM
I seem to remember MRN being delayed or even pre-empted completely during pledge week.  So, if anything, they should have aired less important episodes during pledge week if they were not even going to air.

That's interesting. Though again I listed all the out of proper position weeks during pledge weeks, so see for yourself which weeks seem more or less important.

I do wonder why late September, early October, and early November seem to often have episodes airing outside their proper position.  They aren't months that have pledge week.  

Although November is sweeps, and a lot of late September and October out of proper position weeks are weeks of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, and the week before Columbus Day.


In 1989, I wonder if Feb. 27 - Mar. 3 could have been pledge week, since Nighttime aired that week, seemingly randomly.  

No, in 1989 I know for sure that March 6 - 17 were the pledge weeks, so that doesn't explain Nighttime.

But that doesn't explain the other out of proper position weeks in January 1989.

Yes, and that's not even sweeps! Although maybe in January 1989, you could really see that it was just Grandparents and No & Yes switched, and Grandparents aired at least partially in February, and that part of it included the opera, which would air during sweeps.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 12, 2012, 07:36:51 PM
Do sweeps even mean anything to PBS?  That could explain November, February, and May.  But October isn't sweeps, and I have no idea why the week before Columbus Day would be anything special.  Also, keep in mind that although Bubbleland debuted during May, it wasn't sweeps, since sweeps ends on Wednesday.

In 1989, it was both No and Yes and Families that were moved to January.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 12, 2012, 07:43:47 PM
By the way, it seems that the Split P logo started on Oct. 1, 1984.  However, I remember first seeing it during the summer, since I remember it being during the daytime and not having school.  In fact, I remember it being midweek.  And, I even remember seeing the P Heads before MRN, but Split P (for the first time) after MRN, and then never seeing P Heads again.  Since I know for sure I saw 1536-1540 when it debuted in November 1984, and it seems that week was produced with the Split P, that makes me think that maybe WNET and WLIW started using Split P during the summer of 1984, before it was used nationally.  My vague recollection was that 1454 was the first episode I saw with Split P, although it doesn't seem that episode aired anywhere near the summer of 1984.

To the people who insist that I saw the P Heads on June 2, 1986, even though I know I didn't: keep in mind that if WNET and WLIW were using P Heads at the time, it wouldn't have been the first time it was used in months, since everything from March, April, and May would have also had the P Heads (except Celebrations).
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 13, 2012, 10:45:08 AM
Do sweeps even mean anything to PBS?  That could explain November, February, and May.  But October isn't sweeps, and I have no idea why the week before Columbus Day would be anything special.

But except for 1990, all out of proper position week before Columbus Day episodes were either Bubbleland and Divorce. Bubbleland could be about following the tradition of the opera the Friday before a holiday. And Divorce could be because 1480 is about airplanes and travel, and a lot of people could be traveling the Friday before a holiday weekend. And as for 1990, that would be Conflict, and that could have been because it was during the events leading to the war in Iraq, which started in January, and that could have been to prepare kids for the then possible upcoming war. Yes, its proper position would be before the war actually started in January, but they could not have known at the time just when the war would start. And, as it happens, 1525, which is very intense, did debut on a holiday, which I'm sure was intentional. So they could have thought that airing it the Friday before a holiday would also make sense. Yes, they could have aired it the following week, when 1521 would air on an actual holiday, like it did in 1987 and 1991 (although 1991, and possibly also 1987 since it was only switched with the following week, it was in its proper position). But since the debut what would be intentional, maybe they were thinking that 1525 was a more intense episode than 1521, and if they felt 1521 was intense, they could have debuted it either 4 or 9 weeks earlier, both Monday holidays when post-75s were airing.

Also, keep in mind that although Bubbleland debuted during May, it wasn't sweeps, since sweeps ends on Wednesday.

And though the Monday - Wednesday episodes would be during sweeps, the Friday episode is more important. But that could have been more about following the tradition of the Friday before a holiday, which it turns out, was followed for all other Reardon post-75 operas.

In 1989, it was both No and Yes and Families that were moved to January.

Actually, if you look at my schedule, it was only No & Yes that aired in January, while Families aired in February. So maybe they considered Families to be an important week to air during sweeps (if it aired in its proper position, 1554 and 1555 wouldn't air during sweeps, since sweeps starts the Thursday before the first Sunday in February (now Super Bowl Sunday) and goes four weeks later to, except in years where leap year is on a Sunday, the Wednesday after the last Sunday in February (now the Oscars, except for Olympics years, when they're moved to the first Sunday in March). And they moved No & Yes probably so that they could have James Michael Jones and Betty Okonak Templeton's wedding close to when they adopt Carrie Dell. Also, No & Yes was the only January out of proper position non-annual occasion week, and its move could also be to have Grandparents air partially during sweeps, and that partial would be the opera.

As for debuts during sweeps, there was one in November 1982 -1992 (although 1984 - 1992 were only partially during sweeps, since I believe sweeps ends Thanksgiving Wednesday and starts the Thursday of exactly four weeks before that, 2 weeks after Columbus Day, the Thursday after the Monday that used to be Veteran's Day from 1971 - 1976), February 1980, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1989, and all of 1991 - 2000 (although in 1991 and 1992, it was only partially during sweeps, as was the debut in March 1982, and 1994 - 2000 could be about President's Week), and in May 1984 - 1989 (and the April 1983 debut was partially during sweeps, including an episode that could seem intentional for sweeps, where God is mentioned). And as for episodes moved during sweeps:

In November, Bubbleland and Creativity were moved a lot for a November opera (Bubbleland was moved, as opposed to airing in its proper position, in 1987 (however, it would have still aired during sweeps if it was in its proper position then), 2000, and 2001, and Creativity in 1993, 1994, and 1995 (although in 1995 the opera would still air in November if it didn't move), and they resumed the November opera tradition resumed in 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006, 2003 and 2005 with Creativity, 2004 and 2006 with Bubbleland. Divorce was moved to November in 1990, 1993, 1994, 1995, and 1999 - 2008, but all those could have been about airing 1480 before Thanksgiving, one of the heaviest travel times of the year). It also was moved to February in 1981 (when it debuted) and 1986, both times to President's Week when a lot of schools are on vacation. However, 1480 would air at the end of the vacation, not the Friday before. But maybe they felt that 1476 was an intense episode so they wanted to air it on a holiday (although the only other times it aired on a holiday were 1990, 2001, and 2007), or it was more in 1981 about having the debut during sweeps, and in 1986 so that they could switch it with No & Yes in order to have it air close to Families. And interestingly enough, if they weren't switched, Divorce and Bubbleland would be switched, and all of Bubbleland would be during sweeps.

The only other out of proper position weeks I can think of during sweeps are Nighttime at least partially in February - March 1989 (though interestingly enough, one of the two important episodes that week, the visit from the Russians, was not during sweeps), Friends in 1995 (though it was switched with Creativity in 1993 and 1994, when it didn't air during sweeps, though that could be about the November opera), and Making Mistakes in February 2001.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 13, 2012, 11:04:20 AM
By the way, it seems that the Split P logo started on Oct. 1, 1984.  However, I remember first seeing it during the summer, since I remember it being during the daytime and not having school.  In fact, I remember it being midweek.  

And Rosh Hashanah, though midweek, was before the Split P debuted, and Yom Kippur, though after, was a Saturday so your school didn't close for Yom Kippur. I'm thinking that maybe your memory of it being midweek is wrong, and it was Columbus Day.


And, I even remember seeing the P Heads before MRN, but Split P (for the first time) after MRN, and then never seeing P Heads again.

I'm thinking that Sesame Street, which preceded MRN in the afternoons on WNET, didn't have the Split P until the first new episode after 10/1/84, which would be the Season 16 premiere on 11/19/84.


Since I know for sure I saw 1536-1540 when it debuted in November 1984, and it seems that week was produced with the Split P, that makes me think that maybe WNET and WLIW started using Split P during the summer of 1984, before it was used nationally.

I'm thinking maybe WLIW, but definitely not WNET, since it's a major station while WLIW is low budget.

My vague recollection was that 1454 was the first episode I saw with Split P, although it doesn't seem that episode aired anywhere near the summer of 1984.

Here's a theory -- since 1454 deals a lot with the operas, and WNET aired the previous weekday's episode in the mornings, maybe it was 1245 on the morning of Columbus Day. And though they don't deal with all the operas, they definitely deal with 1245. If that theory is correct, this is similar to a memory that I have. When I saw 1454 when someone from the yahoo board gave it to me. I had a memory of an episode that I thought was 1454 (and it would logically make sense, too) but it turns out it was an actual opera week instead. My memory was of a reference to 1300, which is also one of the operas referred to in 1454, on 5/1/86 . By the time I saw 1454 from that member of the yahoo board, I had known the pre-79 schedule, partially from Hedda as well as other sources, from 3/3 - 4/18/86 were 1411 - 1445 (or at least some of those weeks in that period; don't remember exactly which ones), but I didn't know about stalling the pre-79 run with 1286 - 1290 on 4/21 - 4/25 and 1296 - 1300 on 4/28 - 5/2. So I logically assumed 1454 aired 5/1, when it was really 1299 when they were discussing the opera the next day.

Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 13, 2012, 11:53:58 AM
Just to clear up a few things:

No, my memory is not from 1245.  It wasn't necessarily 1454, but it was not 1245.

WNET and WLIW both switched to the Split P on the same day.  After that day, I never saw the P Heads ever again on PBS.  Until the internet age, I wondered if I had imagined them.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 13, 2012, 12:03:59 PM
No, my memory is not from 1245.  It wasn't necessarily 1454, but it was not 1245.

Just out of curiosity, how do you know that for sure? Especially when it aired soon after the Split P debuted when you had no school?

WNET and WLIW both switched to the Split P on the same day. 

Or you first noticed it on the same day, or your memory is of seeing them on the same day. I'm guessing that day was definitely most likely 10/1/84, or 11/19/84.

After that day, I never saw the P Heads ever again on PBS.  Until the internet age, I wondered if I had imagined them.

I'm thinking 1240 on 9/28/84 was the very last of the P Heads for MRN.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 13, 2012, 12:04:39 PM
No, my memory is not from 1245.  It wasn't necessarily 1454, but it was not 1245.

Just out of curiosity, how do you know that for sure? Especially when it aired soon after the Split P debuted when you had no school?

WNET and WLIW both switched to the Split P on the same day.  

Or you first noticed it on the same day, or your memory is of first seeing them on the same day. I'm guessing that day was definitely most likely 10/1/84, or 11/19/84.

After that day, I never saw the P Heads ever again on PBS.  Until the internet age, I wondered if I had imagined them.

I'm thinking 1240 on 9/28/84 was the very last of the P Heads for MRN.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 13, 2012, 12:08:15 PM
First of all, I never saw 1245 as a kid.  Secondly, my memories from that day have nothing to do with that opera.

My memory was not from 10/1/84 or 11/19/84, since I know for sure it was a midweek day (not a Monday or Friday) that I had no school but my father had to work.  So it was most likely during the summer.  And it was definitely earlier than 11/19/84.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 13, 2012, 12:13:38 PM
First of all, I never saw 1245 as a kid.  Secondly, my memories from that day have nothing to do with that opera.

Then I'm sure it wasn't 1245 on Columbus Day.

My memory was not from 10/1/84 or 11/19/84, since I know for sure it was a midweek day (not a Monday or Friday) that I had no school but my father had to work.  So it was most likely during the summer.  And it was definitely earlier than 11/19/84.

I wonder if it could have been on 9/27/84, which was the first day of Rosh Hashanah, and maybe WLIW (and possibly also WNET) debuted it 4 or more days earlier.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 13, 2012, 12:15:06 PM
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 13, 2012, 10:34:41 PM
You left 6/21/04 - 6/25/04 and 7/12/04 - 7/16/04 blank.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 13, 2012, 11:07:24 PM
You left 6/21/04 - 6/25/04 and 7/12/04 - 7/16/04 blank.

I fixed that.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 15, 2012, 12:00:55 AM
A few comments: about Competition, Making Mistakes, and Friends often airing in September: those all make sense.  In school, there will often be competition between kids, and sometimes parents promote (unhealthy, in my opinion) competition between kids.  For example, I remember my parents would always point out to me if they found out that one of my friends got a higher grade than me on an exam, and tell me that was unacceptable.  Making Mistakes makes senese, since kids will be making mistakes when they are in school, and need to learn to deal with it.  Friends also makes sense, since kids will be making friends in school, and spending a lot of time with them.

I wonder why Art and Brave and Strong were switched in 2005.  That is the first I've ever heard of that.  I don't remember any discussion on the Yahoo board at the time.

You mention that all 4 post-75 operas debuted the Friday before a holiday.  I think that was coincidence.  Grandparents and Celebrations were definitely coincidence, since every year during that era (except 1985, when it was a week later for some reason) had a debut the first week of May.  I think 1989 proves it was about the first week of May, and not about Mothers Day.  And that was an episode that could be considered an opera.  As for Bubbleland: keep in mind that 1980, 1981, and 1982 all had a debut close to Memorial Day, perhaps to kick off the summer.  But they were 3 different weeks: 1980 was the week before Memorial Day.  1981 was the week after Memorial Day.  And 1982 was the week of Memorial Day.  Maybe they wanted to experiment with which week worked the best, and maybe after 1982 they decided that none of them worked.  Creativity maybe was intentional.  It's hard to tell, since no other year had a debut that was anywhere near that week.  At least where I live, in 1982, school probably ended June 24, 1982 (that was when it ended in 1993, 1999, 2004, and 2010, which all had the same calendar as 1982), and most summer camps start around July 5 or so.  So the week Creativity aired was a week that a lot of kids would be home, since they'd be finished with school but haven't started any summer camp or other recreation activities yet.  Although, it's probably also a big vacation week, which could be why they never had a debut that week again.

I still argue that the "Friday before a holiday" operas were just coincidence.  Honestly, there weren't very many "Friday before holiday" operas, and many of them were in their proper position.  There were far more times that they could have aired an opera the Friday before a holiday but did not.  Maybe if you have a chance, you can go through every holiday for each year, to see how often operas aired and how often they did not.  You should probably only look at holidays that fall on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday.  I don't think an opera ever aired on a Friday holiday itself.

You often mention the Friday before Rosh Hasnahah and Yom Kippur.  I don't think they ever intentionally aired operas those days.  If they did, it was just coincidence.

As for the Easter Friday operas: the only operas to debut on Easter Friday were in 1968, 1974, and 1975.  And then the only years in which a non-proper position opera aired on Easter Friday were 1988 and 1991.  If the debuts were intentionaly, then why did they not debut an opera on Easter Friday in 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, or 1973.  Maybe 1988 and 1991 were intentional.  They couldn't air an opera on Easter Friday in 1990 because of the debut of The Environment.  But what about 1989?  They could have aired an opera that week if they wanted.

On another note: I wonder if the reason why they started jumping around from one era to another in 1995 was because Brockett passed away that year.  Maybe they realized that if the episodes continued to air in order, there would be many weeks in a row without Brockett (and later without Trow; I'm not mentioning Costa since he rarely appeared on camera).  Although I wonder why it is that in 2002 they completely gave up on chronology.  Interestingly, 2001-02 seems to keep switching from chronological to random.  I wonder why.  All of the operas in the 2001-02 schedule aired the first full week of a month, for some reason.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 15, 2012, 11:43:51 AM
A few comments: about Competition, Making Mistakes, and Friends often airing in September: those all make sense.  In school, there will often be competition between kids, and sometimes parents promote (unhealthy, in my opinion) competition between kids.  For example, I remember my parents would always point out to me if they found out that one of my friends got a higher grade than me on an exam, and tell me that was unacceptable.  Making Mistakes makes senese, since kids will be making mistakes when they are in school, and need to learn to deal with it.  Friends also makes sense, since kids will be making friends in school, and spending a lot of time with them.

I think that from what you said, maybe Making Mistakes and Friends make sense, but not Competition, which has ironically aired more than the others at back to school time. I think Competition and possibly Making Mistakes make no more sense than other non-back to school weeks such as, for instance Play (kids play at school), Discipline (kids have to learn to follow the discipline of the teacher), Creativity (kids are encouraged to be creative at school), Games (kids play games at school), and a lot more. And, ironically, Making Mistakes has aired a lot more than Friends has as a school week.


I wonder why Art and Brave and Strong were switched in 2005.  That is the first I've ever heard of that.  I don't remember any discussion on the Yahoo board at the time.

But remember, by the time they aired, they aired as scheduled. This was just on the original schedule that came out back in May or June 2004, and within a few months (though I didn't know it), it was restored to how it aired. And you weren't yet a member of the yahoo board back in May or June 2004, right?

You mention that all 4 post-75 operas debuted the Friday before a holiday.  

You mean 4 of the 5, or the 4 Reardon operas, since Josephine is an opera that didn't debut the Friday before a holiday (or Wednesday - Friday)

I think that was coincidence.  Grandparents and Celebrations were definitely coincidence, since every year during that era (except 1985, when it was a week later for some reason) had a debut the first week of May.  

And in 1987 and 1988, neither of which was an opera, the debut was the week before that same holiday.

I think 1989 proves it was about the first week of May, and not about Mothers Day.  

Although as you pointed out, it may have not been known what the May debut would be the year before, and they didn't know that 1989 would be an opera. Or another thought is, since in 1989 the Friday before Mother's Day was an opera, they thought it didn't matter if they had the debut of the opera the week before Mother's Day.

And that was an episode that could be considered an opera.  

It definitely is.

As for Bubbleland: keep in mind that 1980, 1981, and 1982 all had a debut close to Memorial Day, perhaps to kick off the summer.  But they were 3 different weeks: 1980 was the week before Memorial Day.  1981 was the week after Memorial Day.  And 1982 was the week of Memorial Day.  Maybe they wanted to experiment with which week worked the best, and maybe after 1982 they decided that none of them worked.  

Although in 1981 and 1982, it wasn't an opera, so maybe they felt that only if it were an opera, it would debut the Friday before Memorial Day.

Creativity maybe was intentional.  It's hard to tell, since no other year had a debut that was anywhere near that week.  

Although in July, there were also debuts in 1981, 1990, 1996, 1998, and 1999, and yet none of them was an opera. And it's extremely unlikely that the debut that they were thinking of for that time in 1997 was going to be an opera. So again, that could have to do with the fact that it was an opera, which it only happened to be in 1982.

At least where I live, in 1982, school probably ended June 24, 1982 (that was when it ended in 1993, 1999, 2004, and 2010, which all had the same calendar as 1982), and most summer camps start around July 5 or so.  So the week Creativity aired was a week that a lot of kids would be home, since they'd be finished with school but haven't started any summer camp or other recreation activities yet.  

Actually, the camps that I went to, as well as others I've heard about, started before Creativity would air, the Saturday after the day school would end according to the Regents schedule. In 1991, that camp started June 22. In 1992, June 27, in 1993 (which as you pointed out has the same calendar as 1982), June 26, before Creativity would air. In 1994, June 25, and in 1995, June 24. (btw I didn't go to that same camp all those years; I'm just aware of those schedules). And later on, I heard of a camp that started June 28, 2009, June 27, 2010 (again same as 1982 and before Creativity), June 26, 2011, and June 24, 2012. So that proves camp had nothing to do with it. Besides, in 1981, 1990, 1998, and 1999, the debut was while camps were in session.


Although, it's probably also a big vacation week, which could be why they never had a debut that week again.

I think the big vacation week though is actually the following week. In 1982, with Monday, July 5 day off from work rather than Friday, July 2, July 5 - 9 was more the vacation week.

I still argue that the "Friday before a holiday" operas were just coincidence.  Honestly, there weren't very many "Friday before holiday" operas, and many of them were in their proper position.  

Although they could have chosen to move those operas but didn't.

There were far more times that they could have aired an opera the Friday before a holiday but did not.

But they could have decided it was a tradition only to be followed sometimes, as I've pointed out before.

Maybe if you have a chance, you can go through every holiday for each year, to see how often operas aired and how often they did not.  You should probably only look at holidays that fall on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday.  I don't think an opera ever aired on a Friday holiday itself.

That's not true; an opera aired on a Friday holiday itself in in 1987 and 2005. And I'll also look at Thursday holidays, since the day after could be off, like in 2006 when there was an opera. I think though for Christmas/New Year's, I won't just span the Friday before a Tuesday Christmas up until the Friday after a Thursday Christmas, and the same for New Year's, which would be Friday, Dec. 21 - Jan. 2, only skipping Dec. 27. We should go until the week before Christmas, and for that we have all of 1984 - 1994, 2004, and 2006. 1988 was the earliest and 2004, the latest. Although in 1988, it was the day that NYC private schools started their break, and in 2004, it was New Year's Eve. The earliest non-proper position such year was 1992, which was the day NYC schools started their break, and of course the latest 2004. Here it is for other holidays, and number of times, and except for confirmed debuts in that period, I won't count the most mysterious part of the schedule, 10/22/79 - 8/12/83, as well as the in between seasons periods from 8/19/68 - 2/13/76. For fixed day holidays, the span goes from the Friday after a Wednesday til the Friday after a Wednesday. That said, here it is, and let me know if I omitted one or have one wrong:

Martin Luther King Day: 2006 and 2007 (2)
Valentine's Day: 1990 (1)
President's Day: 1990 (1), and that was in its proper position. Although there was also most likely an opera the Friday before Lincoln's Birthday in 1978, which was then more widely observed.
St. Patrick's Day: 2006 (1)
Easter: the Friday after in 1968, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1988, and 1991, Good Friday in 1989, 1999, and 2008, and Holy Thursday in 1971. (10). Easter Friday (6), Good Friday (3), Holy Thursday (1). And in 1970, it was during Passover, and in 1986, though after Passover, schools would still be closed if their spring break was all 8 days of Passover.
Mother's Day: 1984, 1986, 1989 (3)
Memorial Day: 1980, 1999, 2000, 2001 (4)
Father's Day: 1984 (if they ignored the 1145/1146 carryover) (1, and never if they didn't ignore that carryover)
4th of July: 1982, 1992 (2)
Labor Day: 1989, 1990 (2)
Rosh Hashanah (this would be the 2nd day of a Thursday Rosh Hashanah, and the Friday before a Saturday, Monday, or Tuesday Rosh Hashanah): 1990 (1)
Yom Kippur (this would be the Friday before a Saturday, Monday, or Wednesday Yom Kippur, or the Friday after a Wednesday or Thursday Yom Kippur): 1984, 1987, 1991, 1995, 1996 (5)
Columbus Day: 1977, 1984, 1995, 2003 (4)
Halloween: 1984, 1986, 1990, 2008 (4)
Election Day: 1978, 1984, 1986, 1990, 1994 (5)
Veteran's Day: 1985, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005 (6)
Thanksgiving: 2006 (1)

So therefore, Easter has the most, with 10, so something tells me they very much paid attention to Easter, and except for maybe Father's Day, every holiday has at least one. As for single days in relation to holidays, Veteran's Day would be the most, although that might not be about Veteran's Day, but more about November, most likely because of sweeps. If we count all November (or November sweeps) operas, that would be 1978, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, which would be 17. Of those, 1987, 1989, 1993, and 2003 are the only ones that aren't the Friday before or after a holiday (or before a holiday that's Wednesday or before, or after a holiday that's Wednesday or after), so 13 are. For Christmas/New Year's, that'd be 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 2004, and 2006, which is 13. Of those, the only ones that aren't the Friday before Christmas (or before a Christmas that's Wednesday or earlier) or after New Year's (or after a New Year's that's Wednesday or later) are 1986, 1988, and 1992, so that leaves 10. This means that most operas, whether you think holiday or not, are November and Christmas/New Year's (although Christmas/New Year's if you don't think holiday, is tied with Easter).

You often mention the Friday before Rosh Hasnahah and Yom Kippur.  I don't think they ever intentionally aired operas those days.  If they did, it was just coincidence.

I still wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. Although interestingly enough, there's only one in relation to Rosh Hashanah.

As for the Easter Friday operas: the only operas to debut on Easter Friday were in 1968, 1974, and 1975.  And then the only years in which a non-proper position opera aired on Easter Friday were 1988 and 1991.  If the debuts were intentionaly, then why did they not debut an opera on Easter Friday in 1969,

Maybe they didn't want it so soon after Friday and Sara returned from their honeymoon. Although that would be 1041 - 1045, which isn't so close.

1970,

That could be because of the pregnancy, and they really wanted to devote 1076 - 1120 to the pregnancy. And besides, in 1970 it was during Passover.

1971,

Maybe they wanted it Reardon's birthday, and they thought that since Reardon's birthday wouldn't be a Friday until 1977, they might as well have the opera on Thursday instead. And even though back then they didn't know the show wouldn't have a new episode that late, they still didn't want to wait. And that was Holy Thursday.

1972,

Maybe they wanted to wait til after the Lady Elaine going to Planet Purple story, which spans 1226 - 1240, and 1226 - 1230 was Easter week. Although I do wonder why they didn't start that story in 1196 - 1225. Maybe they felt like the start of that story was the bigger deal than the opera, so they decided to have that start Easter Week instead.


or 1973.  

Maybe they wanted a Friday the 13th opera (and as I said, maybe that was mentioned in 1298), and not knowing how long the show would be on at the time, they realized that there wouldn't be a Friday the 13th debut until 1977, which seemed too long away. And they also could have felt like the week on love, which aired Easter Week, was a bigger deal than the opera. And even though Valentine's Day is of course the holiday more associated with love, and even though they had a Valentine's Day debut in 1969, they thought they never would again, at least until 1977 (a multiple of 52 weeks from the 1972 - 1976 debuts), or possibly not at all if they wanted the debut always President's Day


Maybe 1988 and 1991 were intentional.  They couldn't air an opera on Easter Friday in 1990 because of the debut of The Environment.  But what about 1989?  They could have aired an opera that week if they wanted.

But maybe since the opera aired in its proper position Good Friday, and that's in relation to Easter, they thought they might as well keep it in its proper position. Although 1988 and 1991, especially 1988, could also be about Reardon's birthday.

On another note: I wonder if the reason why they started jumping around from one era to another in 1995 was because Brockett passed away that year.  Maybe they realized that if the episodes continued to air in order, there would be many weeks in a row without Brockett

But the episodes without Brockett wouldn't air yet in 1995 - 96. And he was indeed in Everybody's Special, and in 1996 - 97, in each year, there were very few weeks added to the rotation. So that theory doesn't make any sense.


(and later without Trow; I'm not mentioning Costa since he rarely appeared on camera).  

And in the first episodes without Trow, those wouldn't be until 1999 - 2000, when there wasn't any new development with the chronology. And as for Costa, though he rarely appeared on camera, his music was always heard, and it was very noticeably different from his replacement, Michael Moricz's.


Although I wonder why it is that in 2002 they completely gave up on chronology.  Interestingly, 2001-02 seems to keep switching from chronological to random.  I wonder why.  All of the operas in the 2001-02 schedule aired the first full week of a month, for some reason.

That really is amazing, and I never thought of that before! But that I really think is coincidence.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: bka on June 17, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
I had hoped and believed that Lenny Meledandri (Prince Tuesday) - servant & pupil both to Johnny Costa and Fred - would be given the musical director post following Johnny's death. He is a brilliant pianist (as I only discovered at the cemetery following Fred's funeral ceremony) and could play either jazz or classical. Michael was an entirely different sort of pianist.  More in a show-tune vein.....good, but a tremendously noticeable break in continuity following the unmatchable genius of Costa. a hard act to follow indeed.

and as for the coincidences of scheduling.  as far as Fred and the program were concerned, I often felt it was rather more like the saying: "Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous."
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 17, 2012, 08:58:25 PM
and as for the coincidences of scheduling.  as far as Fred and the program were concerned, I often felt it was rather more like the saying: "Coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous."

That is so true!  What coincidences were you thinking of?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 18, 2012, 11:21:09 PM
About your theory of operas often airing the Friday before a holiday: if you define "holiday" to mean any federal holiday, there are then 10 Fridays before a holiday (since there are 10 federal holidays) out of 52 Fridays in a year.  That means that nearly 1 out of 5 Fridays is a Friday before a holiday.  You should count how many times every opera has aired, and what percentage of its airings are the Friday before a holiday.  I doubt that its much more than 1 out of 5, meaning that the Friday before a holiday airings are just coincidence.

One thing that is very surprising is that no opera has ever aired on Betty's birthday (Dec. 30).  If that day falls on a Friday, its the Friday before a holiday.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 19, 2012, 11:49:28 AM
About your theory of operas often airing the Friday before a holiday: if you define "holiday" to mean any federal holiday, there are then 10 Fridays before a holiday (since there are 10 federal holidays) out of 52 Fridays in a year. 

I also am thinking though what someone calls pseudo holidays (celebratory days that aren't federal), such as Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day, and Halloween, and also religious holidays such as Easter, Passover, Rosh Hashanah, and Yom Kippur. One holiday by the way I forgot to count is Hanukkah, and operas aired during Hanukkah in 1989 and 1992, though that's only twice.

That means that nearly 1 out of 5 Fridays is a Friday before a holiday. 

Though it's more if you count "pesudo" or religious holidays.

You should count how many times every opera has aired, and what percentage of its airings are the Friday before a holiday.  I doubt that its much more than 1 out of 5, meaning that the Friday before a holiday airings are just coincidence.

I'll try it and see if you're right. Again I'll only count debuts, the bulk, and confirmed airings, and therefore avoiding all of 9/3/79 - 8/27/82 (after 8/30/82 the schedule is pretty straightforward), except for debuts in that period. For all holidays except Christmas/New Year's and Easter, I'll count the holiday as being between the Wednesday  before the opera and the Wednesday after. For Christmas/New Year's, I'll count it as any December airing, and for Easter, it could be Good Friday, Holy Thursday, or Easter Friday. That said, here it is for each opera.

45: Only known airing does actually count as this, as that's Easter Friday.

84: Only known airing does actually count as this, since it's the Thursday before Father's Day

1055: 3 known airings. Two airings could actually count, since one is Thanksgiving Friday and the other is triply significant as the Friday after Ash Wednesday and before Lincoln's Birthday (then a more widely observed holiday). So that would be 2/3, or 66.6%. Although those two are both coincidence, since they're bulk airings

1125: 5 known airings. I'm thinking two of them count count, which are interestingly enough its debut and last airing, since its its debut is during Passover, and its last airing, so that's 2/5, or 40%. I'm even wondering if its second bulk airing (the one the day before Joe's wife was born) because that could also be considered the day before a holiday, Armed Forces Day, and that would make it 3/5 or 60%. So Joe, this means your wife was born on Armed Forces Day!

1169: 5 known airings. Either one or two of them count, its debut and 1984 airing, and for the latter, it depends on whether they acknowledged the 1145/1146 carryover. If it didn't, it would air the Thursday before Father's Day, so therefore, 20% if they did acknowledge the carryover, and 40% if they didn't.

1245: 7 known airings. Two of them could count, since its second bulk airing was the Friday before Election Day (and it was a midterm year, so it was the second biggest type of election year), and its 1984 airing doubly counts, since it's the Friday before Columbus Day and the day before (and day of at sundown) Yom Kippur. So that's 1/3, or 33.3%

1300: 7 known airings. Three of them could count, as two of them are Easter Friday (first bulk and 1985), and the last airing is the day before (and day of at sundown) Yom Kippur, so that's 3/7, or approximately 42.8571%

1370: 7 known airings. Its debut counts, as well as I'm thinking its 1983 airing, since that would be Earth Day. That would therefore make it 2/7, or 28.5714%.

1425: 9 known airings. Four of them count, its debut, 1977, 1989, and 1992 airings. So that's 4/9 or 44.4%.

Bubbleland: 24 known airings (its debut, and all its post-75 run airings from 1983 - 2009). Of those, the ones that could count are its debut (Friday before Memorial Day), 1984 - 85 (doubly as Friday after Halloween and before Election Day in a presidential year), 1985 - 86 (Friday before Veteran's Day), 1986 - 87 (doubly as Halloween and Friday before Election Day in a midterm year), 1989 - 90 (day before and day of, at sundown, Rosh Hashanah), 1990 - 91 (second day of Rosh Hashanah), 1991 - 92 (Friday after Yom Kippur), 1995 - 96 (doubly as Friday after Yom Kippur and before Columbus Day), 1997 - 98 (Friday before Mother's Day), 2000 - 01, 2001 -02 (both Friday before Veteran's Day, and in 2000 it was the day off for Veteran's Day), 2003 - 04 (Friday before Columbus Day), 2004 - 05 (day after Veteran's Day), and 2006 - 07 (Thanksgiving Friday). Amazingly, that's 12, so exactly 1/2, or 50%!!!!!

Spoon Mountain: 23 known airings (its debut and all post-75 run airings from 1983 to 2006 - 07). Of those the ones that count are its debut (Friday before 4th of July), 1984 - 85 (day before Groundhog Day), 1986 - 87, 1987 - 88, 1988 - 89 (the Christmas/New Year's opera in all those years, and in 1987 - 88 actually on Christmas Day), 1990 (doubly as Friday after Halloween and before midterm Election Day), 1994 - 95 (Friday before midterm Election Day), 1995 - 96 (day before, and day off for, Veteran's Day), 1998 - 99 (Good Friday), 2005 - 06 (Veteran's Day), and 2006 - 07 (Christmas/New Year's opera, and in that year, Friday before New Year's). That's 10/23, or approximately 43.5%

A Granddad for Daniel: 27 airings, all confirmed. Of those that count, its debut (Friday before Mother's Day), 1984 - 85, 1985 - 86 (Christmas/New Year's opera), 1988 - 89 (doubly as day after Groundhog Day and Friday before Ash Wednesday), 1990 - 91  (Easter Friday), 1991 - 92, 1992 - 93, 1993 - 94, 1994 - 95 (all four Christmas/New Year's opera), 1999 - 2000, 2000 - 01 (both Friday before Memorial Day), 2006 -07, 2007  (both Friday before Martin Luther King Day), 2007 - 08 (Good Friday), and 2008 - 09 (doubly as Halloween and the Friday before presidential Election Day). That's 15/27, or 5/9, or 55.5%

A Star for Kitty: 24 airings. Of those that count, its debut (Friday before Mother's Day), 1986 - 87 (Friday after Ash Wednesday), 1987 - 88 (Easter Friday), 1988 - 89 (Good Friday), 1989 - 90 (doubly as Friday after Valentine's Day and before President's Day), 1990 - 91 (Christmas/New Year's opera) (so that's all its first 5 airings!), 1996 - 97 (Friday before Yom Kippur), 1998 - 99 (Friday before Memorial Day), 2002 - 03, 2003 - 04, 2004 - 05 (all Christmas/New Year's opera), 2006 (St. Patrick's Day), and 2008 - 09 (Christmas/New Year's opera). Amazingly that's 12, so exactly 1/2, or 50%!!!!!!

Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe: 20 airings, all confirmed. Of those that count, only its second airing in 1989 - 90 (Wednesday - Friday before Labor Day, so that's only 1/20, or 5%. But that's because it became an annual occasion week for back to school, and after the first time it aired as an annual occasion week, they felt that the week before Labor Day was too late for some reason, and except for 2007 - 08, it always aired as a school week.

So therefore, thinking percentage and not counting Josephine or black and white episodes with only one confirmed airing, the one with the biggest percentage is 1055 and the one with the least is 1370. Although since 1055 has only 3, which isn't that much, maybe 1425 could also be considered the biggest, which makes sense. Though thinking post-75s, the smallest is Spoon Mountain and the largest, A Star for Kitty.

One thing that is very surprising is that no opera has ever aired on Betty's birthday (Dec. 30).  If that day falls on a Friday, its the Friday before a holiday.

Although operas have aired the day after Betty's birthday in 2004 and Friday before (with her birthday no later in the week than Wednesday) in 1984, 1985, 1987, 1989, 1990, and 2006. Of those, the last three were the weekday before her birthday. And as for Fred's birthday, there was an opera in 2009 (and ironically, there would be in 1987 if it aired in its proper position), the day after in 1986 and 2008, and the Friday before in 2006.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 19, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
But you added far more holidays to the list (including really minor ones like Groundhog Day and Armed Forces Day) and seem to count both the Friday before and the Friday after any of these holidays, resulting in just about every Friday being a "Friday before a holiday".  Of course there is going to be more than 1 in 5 opera airings on such days.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 19, 2012, 11:00:29 PM
But you added far more holidays to the list (including really minor ones like Groundhog Day and Armed Forces Day) and seem to count both the Friday before and the Friday after any of these holidays, resulting in just about every Friday being a "Friday before a holiday".  Of course there is going to be more than 1 in 5 opera airings on such days.

First, I only counted Armed Forces Day once. Second, even with significantly more, not every Friday is the Friday before a holiday. Let me count in 2012, how many out of 52 Friday could be considered the Friday before a holiday. Again, the holiday has to be between the Wednesday before and the Wednesday after, except for Easter for which Easter Friday counts, and Christmas/New Year's anywhere between Dec. 16 (the earliest a Christmas/New Year's opera has aired (except in 2002 and 2003 after Giving & Receiving became the Christmas annual occasion week)and Jan. 3 (the Friday after a Wednesday New Year's). That said, these are the holidays:

1. Jan. 13 (Friday before Martin Luther King Day)
2. Feb. 3 (Friday after Groundhog Day)
3. Feb. 10 (Friday before Valentine's Day)
4. Feb. 17 (Friday before President's Day and Ash Wednesday)
5. Feb. 24 (Friday after Ash Wednesday)
6. March 16 (day before St. Patrick's Day)
7. April 6 (Good Friday and day Passover starts at sundown)
8. April 13 (Easter Friday and during Passover)
9. April 20 (Friday before Earth Day)
10. May 11 (Friday before Mother's Day)
11. May 25 (Friday before Memorial Day)
12. June 29 (Friday before 4th of July)
13. July 6 (Friday after 4th of July)
14. Aug. 31 (Friday before Labor Day)
15. Sept. 14 (Friday before Rosh Hashanah)
16. Sept. 21 (Friday before Yom Kippur)
17. Sept. 28 (Friday after Yom Kippur)
18. Oct. 5 (Friday before Columbus Day)
19. Oct. 26 (Friday before Halloween)
20. Nov. 2 (Friday after Halloween and before presidential Election Day)
21. Nov. 9 (Friday before Veteran's Day)
22. Nov. 23 (Thanksgiving Friday)
23. Dec. 21 (is between Dec. 16 and Jan. 3)
24. Dec. 28 (is between Dec. 16 and Jan. 3, and when the opera aired in 1984 and 1990)

So that's 24 out of 52, just a bit less than half. Though that's significantly more than 1 in 5, that's nowhere near every Friday. And keep in mind that with 4th of July, Yom Kippur, and Halloween all Wednesdays this year, that's the only day of the week for which a holiday would count twice, so maybe in some years it's 21 out of 52.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 19, 2012, 11:07:00 PM
So that's 24 out of 52, just a bit less than half. Though that's significantly more than 1 in 5, that's nowhere near every Friday. And keep in mind that with 4th of July, Yom Kippur, and Halloween all Wednesdays this year, that's the only day of the week for which a holiday would count twice, so maybe in some years it's 21 out of 52.


But my point is that with your definition, operas are no more likely to air on a "Friday before a holiday" than on other Fridays.  I think if we want this to be a semi-meaningful discussion, we should limit it to just major holidays.

Is anyone else besides Nicky and I even following this thread at this point?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 20, 2012, 02:42:24 PM
But my point is that with your definition, operas are no more likely to air on a "Friday before a holiday" than on other Fridays.  I think if we want this to be a semi-meaningful discussion, we should limit it to just major holidays.

Okay I'll only do it for federal holidays, and remember I'll do it for the Friday before all 5 Monday holidays, Thanksgiving Friday, and for Christmas and New Year's, the Friday between Dec. 16 - Jan. 3 (and starting in 1998, when Giving & Receiving became the Christmas annual week, Dec. 12 - Jan. 3), and for the other fixed day holidays, the holiday would be between the Wednesday before and the Wednesday after. That said, here it is for just federal holidays:

45, 84: Neither of their confirmed airings are the Thursday or Friday before a federal holiday.

1055: Of its three known airings, neither is the Friday before a federal holiday. Its first bulk airing is the Friday before Mother's Day, but you said that shouldn't count. Its second is the Friday before Lincoln's Birthday and that was before 1986 when Martin Luther King Day became a federal holiday, but I believe I heard Lincoln's Birthday was ever a federal holiday even before 1986. It's very possible that if it did air after the bulk, it would count, since its first bulk airing would be Thanksgiving Friday.

1125: Of its 3 out of 5 airings that could count, only the last counts for a federal holiday, so that would be 1 out of 5.

1169: Of its 1 (or 2, depending on the 1145/1146 carryover) out of 5 airings that could count, neither counts for a federal holiday, so that's none.

1245: Of its 2 out of 7 known airings that could count, only one, in 1984, counts for a federal holiday, so that's 1 out of 7, less than 1125.

1300: Of its 3 out of 7 known airings that could count, none counts for federal holiday.

1370: Of its 2 out of 7 known airings that could count, none counts for federal holiday.

1425: Of its 4 out of 9 known airings that could count, only 2 count for federal holiday (1977 and 1992), so that's 2 out of 9, just a bit more than 1125.

Windstorm in Bubbleland: Of its 12 out of 24 known airings that could count, 7 count for federal holiday: debut, 1985 - 86, 1995 - 96, 2000 - 01, 2001 - 02, 2003 - 04, 2004 - 05, and 2006 - 07. That's 7 out of 24, significantly more than 1 out of 5 (1 out of between 4 and 3)

Spoon Mountain: Of its 10 out of 23 that could count, 6 count for federal holiday: debut, 1986 - 87, 1987 - 88, 1988 - 89, 1995 - 96, 2005 - 06, and 2006 - 07. That's 6 out of 23, almost 1 out of 4.

A Granddad for Daniel: Of its 15 out of 27 that could count, 10 count for federal holiday: 1984 - 85, 1985 - 86, 1991 - 92, 1992 - 93, 1993 - 94, 1994 - 95, 1999 - 2000, 2000 - 01, 2005 - 06, and 2006 - 07. That's 10 out of 27, almost 1 out of 3.

A Star for Kitty: Of its 12 out of 24 airings that could count, 5 count for federal holiday: 1990 - 91, 1998 - 99, 2002 - 03, 2003 - 04, and 2004 - 05. That's 5 out of 24, almost 1 out of 6.

So therefore, all post-75 operas except Star for Kitty are more than 1 out of 5, and 1125 and 1425 are the only pre-79s that are more than that. Interestingly enough, of the ones that have at least one (and more than 3 known airings), Celebrations has the least, and all post-75s have the more than all pre-79s, with Granddad for Daniel the most.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on June 20, 2012, 10:15:12 PM
Granddad for Daniel had a lot of "Friday before holiday" or "Friday after holiday" airings since it was moved to near Christmas in 1984, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1993, and 1994.  It had very few airings near holidays other than Christmas.  And, in 1998, it was even moved to avoid a Friday before holiday airing.

Also, you cheated a little by counting both the Friday before and after Christmas, so of course it will be more than 1 out of 5.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 20, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
Granddad for Daniel had a lot of "Friday before holiday" or "Friday after holiday" airings since it was moved to near Christmas in 1984, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1993, and 1994.  It had very few airings near holidays other than Christmas.

Still, Christmas is a federal holiday. And of those years, 1992 is the only time it didn't air the Friday before or after the holiday, thinking of it, in relation to Christmas or New Year's, as the Friday before the holiday if the holiday is Wednesday, Thursday, or before the holiday if the holiday is, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday. Then it would be 9 out of 27, or exactly 1 out of 3.

Thinking about that for the other Christmas/New Year's operas, omitting the ones that weren't the Friday before Christmas if Christmas were a Wednesday or later, or the Friday after New Year's if it were a Wednesday or later:

Spoon Mountain: We omit 1986 and 1988, so that's 2 fewer airings. That's 8 out of 23, so almost 1 out of 3.

A Star for Kitty: We omit 2002 and 2003 (but I forgot 2008 earlier, but that's also omitted, so that's moot), that's 2 fewer airings, so that's 3 out of 24, or 1 out of 8.

Windstorm in Bubbleland was never the Christmas/New Year's opera, so that remains. Still, a Star for Kitty remains the least, and A Granddad for Daniel remains the most.


  And, in 1998, it was even moved to avoid a Friday before holiday airing.

Also, you cheated a little by counting both the Friday before and after Christmas, so of course it will be more than 1 out of 5.

But the Friday after Christmas is of course the Friday before New Year's, also a federal holiday, so that counts. And the Friday after a holiday definitely counts if the holiday is Wednesday or Thursday, and no opera ever aired, except in proper position if at all, the Friday after New Year's. Though it's very likely, even if not 100% confirmed, that an opera did air then in 1976.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on June 21, 2012, 11:53:12 AM
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on July 02, 2012, 04:12:08 PM
Granddad for Daniel had a lot of "Friday before holiday" or "Friday after holiday" airings since it was moved to near Christmas in 1984, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1993, and 1994.  It had very few airings near holidays other than Christmas.

Still, Christmas is a federal holiday. And of those years, 1992 is the only time it didn't air the Friday before or after the holiday, thinking of it, in relation to Christmas or New Year's, as the Friday before the holiday if the holiday is Wednesday, Thursday, or before the holiday if the holiday is, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday. Then it would be 9 out of 27, or exactly 1 out of 3.

But my point is that it seems more likely that Grandparents was intended as an annual occasion episode for Christmas, rather than that they wanted it to air the Friday before or after holidays in general.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on July 02, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
By the way, do you (or anyone) have the schedule for Saturday episodes from 9/5/09 through the present?  It would be interesting to see them too.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on July 03, 2012, 01:14:36 AM
But my point is that it seems more likely that Grandparents was intended as an annual occasion episode for Christmas, rather than that they wanted it to air the Friday before or after holidays in general.

You're right, and it it was an annual occasion week first for two years and then for four, and it was for first two years and last four years that there was the Christmas opera, until 2002, a whole 8 years later. And there have been annual occasion weeks for as short as two years before, such as Fathers & Music in 2004 and 2005 only. And Grandparents does make sense as a Christmas annual occasion week. And in all years except 1984, 1985, and 1992, it aired a week Giving & Receiving aired.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: UUrselfRSpecial on July 03, 2012, 01:15:24 AM
By the way, do you (or anyone) have the schedule for Saturday episodes from 9/5/09 through the present?  It would be interesting to see them too.


I don't know that whole schedule at the moment, but will work on getting it.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on August 27, 2012, 11:44:17 AM
By the way, do you (or anyone) have the schedule for Saturday episodes from 9/5/09 through the present?  It would be interesting to see them too.


I don't know that whole schedule at the moment, but will work on getting it.

Did you get that schedule?  If not, somebody should e-mail FCI this week, since this is probably our last chance to get that schedule.  After this week, they probably won't want to talk about MRN any more.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on September 10, 2012, 10:58:05 PM
I recently took a trip out to Milwaukee and found old tv guides on their microfilm that may shed some light on the early years. It seems that in those years the show was bicycled as from what i've seen in the episode descriptions the station there ran 12 weeks behind based on the description of what was Death of a Goldfish airing on June 15, 1970 instead of March 23 and the station in Madison ran differnt as well about two weeks behind Milwaukee, I was able to find episode descriptions as they were done sporadically in the late 60s-early 70s but not much at all by the mid to late 70s unfortunatley. Here is some descriptions I was able to find for weeks not known for sure, for all dates listed take it back to 12 weeks earlier to match with the original national date:

From before the first color episode in 1969 I found a decsrption on Thursday April 10, 1969 talking about how a cow is milked and on Thursday April 17, 1969 where he talks about ballet positions which would be the weeks of January 13-17 and January 20-24.

Later on a listing on Tuesday July 29 describes them talking about how a piano is made and Tusday August 5 describes them planning a peace party Which I presume would be from episodes 1-5 which would be the week of May 5-9. Further episode decsiptions are on Tuesday August 12 discussing how kites are made, on Monday August 18 bringing in a hammer and nails on August 25 Will Parker the juggler appears on September 2 he talks about sharing with others on September 9 he talks about monsters and on
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on September 10, 2012, 11:12:50 PM
On Sptember 23 he teaches how to draw a dog. As for 1970 I found that in the weeks leading up to 1001 debut on April 27 that it listed on April 6 he talks about learning how to express yourself by drawing on April 13 they talk about haste making waste and on April 20 they mention that Lady Elaine must fix things she breaks. As for the post 1970 first run cycle on Monday July 20 it describes him talking about how to make things grow, Tuesday July 28 Fred brings a live donkey, on September 14 he talks about a pretend meal, on September 21(June 29) he brings a saw and hammer on September 28(July 6) he talks about helping each other, on October 5 (July 13)he teaches how to whistle, on October 19 Van Caliburn visits, on October 26 (July 20) he shows a cookie recipe, on November 2(July 27) they discuss a mother hen and on November 16(August 10) a trumpeter visits, also on November 9(August 3) the tv guide resumes the color listing for the show which at that time tv guide had a color designation for clor episodes. Hopefully this will shed some light on hwta aired in the early years and perhaps I may be able to make it back there in the near future to look again and maybe uncover more information.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on September 10, 2012, 11:23:34 PM
I recently took a trip out to Milwaukee and found old tv guides on their microfilm that may shed some light on the early years. It seems that in those years the show was bicycled as from what i've seen in the episode descriptions the station there ran 12 weeks behind based on the description of what was Death of a Goldfish airing on June 15, 1970 instead of March 23 and the station in Madison ran differnt as well about two weeks behind Milwaukee, I was able to find episode descriptions as they were done sporadically in the late 60s-early 70s but not much at all by the mid to late 70s unfortunatley. Here is some descriptions I was able to find for weeks not known for sure, for all dates listed take it back to 12 weeks earlier to match with the original national date:

Since the color pre-79 seasons were 13 weeks long, I wonder if those 12 week delayed episodes were actually reruns, with 1 week being skipped.

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From before the first color episode in 1969 I found a decsrption on Thursday April 10, 1969 talking about how a cow is milked and on Thursday April 17, 1969 where he talks about ballet positions which would be the weeks of January 13-17 and January 20-24.

According to the files, the only black and white episode that talks about milking a cow is Episode 62, which is a Tuedsay episode, but, as you said, April 10, 1969 was a Thursday.  The episodes that mention ballet are Episodes 32 and 33, neither of which is a Thursday episode.  But there are many that mention dance (too many to list).

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Later on a listing on Tuesday July 29 describes them talking about how a piano is made

Sounds like 111, a Monday episode.

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and Tusday August 5 describes them planning a peace party Which I presume would be from episodes 1-5 which would be the week of May 5-9.

Sounds like Episode 7 or 8.  Sounds like these episodes were airing in random order, or maybe from different timeslots.  May 5-9 should have been 121-125.

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Further episode decsiptions are on Tuesday August 12 discussing how kites are made,

1021-1025 is about kites, so it's probably from that week.

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on Monday August 18 bringing in a hammer and nails

Sounds like 91.

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on August 25 Will Parker the juggler appears

Sounds like 1034.  So they were jumping between color and black and white, with no order.  Or maybe these were from 2 different timeslots.

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on September 2 he talks about sharing with others

Probably 58.

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on September 9 he talks about monsters

Sounds like its from the week of 31-35.

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and on

Looks like your post got cut off.

By the way, this somewhat confirms what I've always beleived: in the eary days, I don't think there was a national schedule.  In fact, part of me wonders if maybe there wasn't even a national schedule until Sept. 3, 1984.  There are so many conflicting sources and memories prior to that date.
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Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on September 11, 2012, 11:04:51 AM
Those descriptions were all from the same time slot at 5 pm and also when they did listings for that and the 12:30 pm time slot they were the same episode listed. As I saud hopefully i'll be able to make it back out there again soon to analyze this a bit further.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on September 11, 2012, 11:11:17 AM
Those descriptions were all from the same time slot at 5 pm and also when they did listings for that and the 12:30 pm time slot they were the same episode listed. As I saud hopefully i'll be able to make it back out there again soon to analyze this a bit further.

Interesting.  I'll check out the episodes you listed in your 2nd post tonight.  Thanks for getting this info.  It sounds like, not only was there not a national schedule, but the schedules were not sequential at all, as everyone had assumed.  The most surprising thing is how much it jumped from black and white to color.  I wonder how long they did that for, and when the national schedule began.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on September 12, 2012, 11:14:58 PM
I haven't had a chance to check for the episode numbers for the 2nd batch of episodes you posted.  But don't worry, I'll get it it eventually.  Thanks again for posting those.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on April 17, 2013, 09:51:54 PM
9/29 - 10/3/03: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)
10/6 - 10/10/03: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (Friday before a holiday!)
10/13 - 10/17/03: 1691 - 1695 (Mad Feelings)
10/20 - 10/24/03: 1536 - 1540 (Dress-Up) (following the Halloween clothes/costumes tradition
10/27 - 10/31/03: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes)
11/3 - 11/7/03: 1511 - 1515 (Games)
11/10 - 11/14/03: 1501 - 1505 (Creativity) (November opera tradition resumes, with opera closest non-annual occasion week to Thanksgiving)
11/17 - 11/21/03: 1476 - 1480 (Divorce)
11/24 - 11/28/03: 1536 - 1540 (Food)
12/1 - 12/5/03: 1701 - 1705 (Helping)
12/8 - 12/12/03: 1561 - 1565 (Celbrations)
12/15 - 12/19/03: 1721 - 1725 (Giving & Receiving) (one week too early, but just like Superheroes in 1985 and 2002)
12/22 - 12/26/03: 1761 - 1765 (Celebrating the Arts) (music/arts tradition on week containing Christmas Day)
12/29/03 - 1/2/04: 1546 - 1550 (Music)
1/5 - 1/9/04: 1611 - 1615 (When Parents Go to Work)
1/12 - 1/16/04: 1726 - 1730 (You & I Together)
1/19 - 1/23/04: 1656 - 1660 (Up & Down)
1/26 - 1/30/04: 1626 - 1630 (Mouths & Feelings)
2/2 - 2/6/04: 1506 - 1510 (Friends)

I notice that you show Friends airing twice that season: Sept. 29 - Oct. 3, 2003; and Feb. 2-6, 2004.  Are both correct?  Did it air twice?  If so, I wonder why.  I think the schedule you previously showed me had Art airing Feb. 2-6, but I wouldn't be shocked if it was changed to Friends and if you remember that happening.

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5/17 - 5/21/04: 1566 - 1570 (Playthings) (after being skipped two years in a row!)
Skipped weeks in 2003 - 04: Play, Playthings (for the second year in a row!), Secrets, Josephine the Short-Neck Giraffe (the last two as I said), Imaginary Friends, Transformations, Be Yourself

You showed Playthings airing May 17-21, 2004.  If that is wrong, and if you are right about it being skipped, then it was actually skipped 3 times in a row.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on April 19, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Something that surprises me about this thread. Of course, i understand we don't know alot about what aired prior to 9/3/84, but i didn't think they reran the pre-79s in the 70's when they were still in production. I did however think that the 1968 season only aired back when PBS was called NET, which is relevant to what's posted here. And interestingly, the 1968 season had a span 130 episodes unlike the other seasons!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on April 19, 2013, 10:09:58 PM
Something that surprises me about this thread. Of course, i understand we don't know alot about what aired prior to 9/3/84, but i didn't think they reran the pre-79s in the 70's when they were still in production. I did however think that the 1968 season only aired back when PBS was called NET, which is relevant to what's posted here. And interestingly, the 1968 season had a span 130 episodes unlike the other seasons!

Do you have memories from the 70s that they were only rerunning the current season?  If so, then you are probably right, since everything before 9/3/84 is speculation.  To be honest, I don't think that there was even a national schedule during the show's early days, but Nicky doesn't seem to agree with me.

What I am more curious about is when did 1036-1040, 1051-1055, 1056-1060, and 1071-1075 last air?  Do you have any idea?  Thanks.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on April 19, 2013, 10:33:40 PM
Something that surprises me about this thread. Of course, i understand we don't know alot about what aired prior to 9/3/84, but i didn't think they reran the pre-79s in the 70's when they were still in production. I did however think that the 1968 season only aired back when PBS was called NET, which is relevant to what's posted here. And interestingly, the 1968 season had a span 130 episodes unlike the other seasons!

Do you have memories from the 70s that they were only rerunning the current season?  If so, then you are probably right, since everything before 9/3/84 is speculation.  To be honest, I don't think that there was even a national schedule during the show's early days, but Nicky doesn't seem to agree with me.

What I am more curious about is when did 1036-1040, 1051-1055, 1056-1060, and 1071-1075 last air?  Do you have any idea?  Thanks.

No i'm sorry, i have no idea. It was just a thought. I'm kinda curious about 1036-1040, 1051-1060 and 1071-1075 myself. Most especially 1071-1075, since that was much later and was noticably missing from the 1970 season runs in 1986 & 1989.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on April 30, 2013, 11:13:05 AM
By the way, the Fred Rogers Center catalog has some schedule info going all the way back to the start of the series.  Unfortunately, I can't access it.  Some of it is available online, but is password protected.  I guess I'm not worthy of being given a password.  Some of it is only available on site.  Maybe if anyone here (maybe Tim?) does have a password, maybe they can check some of it out.

Tim: have you tried to obtain a Password for that site?  I wonder if they would allow you to have one.  Then maybe we can solve the mystery of when the banned weeks last aired.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: Neighborhood Archive on April 30, 2013, 11:35:19 AM
Tim: have you tried to obtain a Password for that site?  I wonder if they would allow you to have one.  Then maybe we can solve the mystery of when the banned weeks last aired.

I haven't but maybe that's something I can pursue...
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 01, 2013, 11:07:33 AM
Tim: have you tried to obtain a Password for that site?  I wonder if they would allow you to have one.  Then maybe we can solve the mystery of when the banned weeks last aired.

I haven't but maybe that's something I can pursue...

Let us know what you find out.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on May 24, 2013, 09:49:39 AM
Too bad Alike & Different, the week with the circus visit, was never an annual occasion week or aired on a holiday.

It did air the Friday after Thanksgiving in 1987 and after Independence Day in 2002, but that's not too significant.

(it also aired the week after John Costa's death in 1996, but that's only because it was proper position airing...)
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 27, 2013, 01:06:01 AM
Too bad Alike & Different, the week with the circus visit, was never an annual occasion week or aired on a holiday.

It did air the Friday after Thanksgiving in 1987 and after Independence Day in 2002, but that's not too significant.

(it also aired the week after John Costa's death in 1996, but that's only because it was proper position airing...)

What holiday do you want it to air for?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on May 27, 2013, 01:09:55 AM
Too bad Alike & Different, the week with the circus visit, was never an annual occasion week or aired on a holiday.

It did air the Friday after Thanksgiving in 1987 and after Independence Day in 2002, but that's not too significant.

(it also aired the week after John Costa's death in 1996, but that's only because it was proper position airing...)

What holiday do you want it to air for?

Well, not so much a holiday necessarily. I just thought it would've been appropriate for a day or week when kids are out of school because of the circus visit in 1585.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on May 27, 2013, 11:20:20 PM
Too bad Alike & Different, the week with the circus visit, was never an annual occasion week or aired on a holiday.

It did air the Friday after Thanksgiving in 1987 and after Independence Day in 2002, but that's not too significant.

(it also aired the week after John Costa's death in 1996, but that's only because it was proper position airing...)

What holiday do you want it to air for?

Well, not so much a holiday necessarily. I just thought it would've been appropriate for a day or week when kids are out of school because of the circus visit in 1585.

Both of those airings that you mentioned (as well as others) would have been when schools were closed.  Almost all schools are closed the Friday after Thanksgiving, and almost all schools would have ended for the summer before July 5.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on July 07, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
Something else interesting i noticed about this sceduele.

What few times we know 1441-1445 aired, it never aired back-to-back with 1446-1450. When it aired in 1986, 1286-1290, 1296-1300 and Celebrations all aired in between and when it aired in 1988 (the last time it aired) it was at the end of the pre-79 run that year. Also, apparently, it couldn't have aired back-to-back with it in 1983 because we know Conflict was followed by 1446-1450, which means 1441-1445 aired sometime earlier.

I guess since 1446-1460 is one long story arc and there wasn't a 1445/1446 carryover, they thought it could air away from 1446 at anytime.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: snowpeck on July 12, 2013, 09:08:32 AM
I know this is my first post on the forum, but I've been following this site for a long time... I was the one that provided the information on the pre-national episodes, culled from some various research.

I've managed to get access to some of the stuff that's been digitized in the Fred Rogers Archive (only documents, no video clips).  The only airdate schedule I could find is for part of 1969 and 1970, and a good chunk of it doesn't match up with what's posted here at all.  (Episodes #001-005, for instance, were not repeated in 1969 according to that document.) I'll try to see if I can post some of the info from it here.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on July 12, 2013, 09:43:54 AM
Thanks. I am looking forward to seeing that schedule info. I am on vacation so I won't be responding much the next week but I look forward to seeing it when I return. How were you able to access it?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on July 12, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
I know this is my first post on the forum, but I've been following this site for a long time... I was the one that provided the information on the pre-national episodes, culled from some various research.

I've managed to get access to some of the stuff that's been digitized in the Fred Rogers Archive (only documents, no video clips).  The only airdate schedule I could find is for part of 1969 and 1970, and a good chunk of it doesn't match up with what's posted here at all.  (Episodes #001-005, for instance, were not repeated in 1969 according to that document.) I'll try to see if I can post some of the info from it here.

Something else that doesn't seem to match this sceduele. There were several 1975 weeks that supposedly aired March 30-April 24, 1981 1391-1410, but this sceduele has 1381-1400 airing those weeks. The theory posted here is because allegedly Bubbleland and Superheroes repeated after the premiere of Divorce, but since it's two weeks early, that couldn't have happened.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: snowpeck on July 12, 2013, 04:51:12 PM
Here's the 1969-1970 info I've found.  Not every week is listed, (the document starts with May 1969) and the episode numbers listed are the original numbers going past #130, but for simplicity, I've converted them to the #1xxx numbers we're more used to.

1969:
May 1-2: #1059-1060
May 5-9: #1061-1065
May 12-16: #0006-0010
May 19-23: #0011-0015
May 26-30: #0016-0020
June 2-6: #0021-0025
June 9-13: #0026-0030
June 16-20: #0031-0035
June 23-27: #0036-0040
June 30-July 4: #0041-0045
July 7-11: #0046-0050
July 14-18: #0051-0055
July 21-25: #0056-0060
July 28-31: #0061-0064 (No show is listed on August 1)
August 4-8: #0065-0068, 0070 (#0069 is apparently skipped over)
August 11-15: #0076-0080
August 25-29: #0081-0085
September 1-5: #0086-0090
September 8-12: #0091-0095
September 15-19: #0096-0100
September 22-26: #0101-0105
September 29-October 3: #0106-0110
October 6-10: #0111-0115
October 13-17: #0116-0120
October 20-24: #0121-0125
October 27-31: #0126-0130
November 3-7: #1001-1005
November 10-14: #1006-1010
November 17-21: #1011-1015
November 24-28: #1016-1020
December 1-5: #1021-1025
December 8-12: #1026-1030
December 15-19: #1031-1035
December 22-26: #1036-1040
December 29-January 2, 1970: #1041-1045

1970:
January 5-9: #1046-1050
January 12-16: #1051-1055
January 19-23: #1056-1060
January 26-30: #1061-1065
February 2-6: #1066-1070
February 9-13: #1071-1075
February 16-20: #1076-1080
February 23-27: #1081-1085
March 2-6: #1086-1090
March 9-13: #1091-1095
March 16-20: #1096-1100
March 23-27: #1101-1105
March 30-April 3: #1106-1110
April 6-10: #1111-1115
April 13-17: #1116-1120
April 20-24: #1121-1125
April 27-May 1: #1126-1130
(No listings for May 1970, but we can assume repeats of some of the earliest B&W weeks aired)
June 1-5: #0046-0050
June 8-12: #0056-0060
June 15-19: #0081-0085
June 22-26: #0086-0090
June 29-July 3: #0091-0095
July 6-July 10: #0096-0100
July 13-17: #0101-0105
July 20-24: #0106-0110
July 27-31: #0111-0115
August 3-7: #0121-0125
August 10-14: #0126-0130
August 17-21: #1001-1005
August 24-28: #1006-1010
August 31: #1011

And unfortunately, that's as far as it goes.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on July 12, 2013, 05:16:45 PM
That's awesome, snowpeck. Also, rather fittingly, the sceduele shows the royal wedding episode airing the Friday before Thanksgiving and an opera (Babysitter aka 45) airing on the 4th of July! And even greater, the 1997 national sceduele shows the Betty Okanak Templeton wedding episode (No & Yes 1545) airing on that day as well!
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on July 12, 2013, 08:41:07 PM
Thanks for posting that! I wonder if 1-5 never reran after its first airing. This also means that if after Aug. 31, 1970 everything ran in order, 1130 reran Feb 12, 1971 and then the next season started, which makes sense.

I wonder how they decided which 1968 episodes aired during the summer of 1970. I wonder if 1-5 aired in May 1970 or not. I'm guessing 45 aired on May 29, 1970.

I also wonder what aired that would have caused MRN to be preempted nationally on Aug 1, 1969. That is strange. I also wonder if 69 was banned since it didn't air in 1970 either.

I won't have free wifi after tonight so I probably can't respond for the next week but I look forward to finding out more info when I return. Thanks again. How did you find this info?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mjb1124 on July 13, 2013, 12:16:29 AM
Thanks snowpeck for posting all this - really fascinating stuff.   This does seem to confirm that in between new seasons, they'd go back and rerun about three seasons' worth of shows.   I'd guess that from February 15, 1971 through at least February 20, 1976, the schedule posted at the beginning of this thread is accurate, since during those years there were just enough weeks between seasons to rerun exactly 195 episodes.  So in all likelihood, the B&W episodes probably saw their last airings in the summer of 1970.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that episodes 1-5 were never rerun.  We now know that it was the only B&W week that didn't air in the May-October 1969 rerun cycle, and we also know that one week was skipped over during the August 1968-February 1969 cycle.   So it stands to reason that 1-5 was also skipped in August 1968, and I highly doubt it was one of the four weeks that aired in May 1970.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: snowpeck on July 13, 2013, 02:16:51 AM
As I've said, I've managed to get access to some of the documents digitized in the Fred Rogers Center at St. Vincent College, but please don't ask me to post the actual scanned documents.  Also, only a small portion of the archive has been digitized so far, so just because a document is in the archive doesn't necessarily mean I have access to it.

I'm not sure if there really was a preemption on 8/1/1969.  Various TV listings sources still list an episode on that date. That may have just been a mistake on the schedule.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mjb1124 on July 13, 2013, 10:06:00 AM
No worries here - I appreciate anything you do post here, and understand that there is a limited to what you have access to, as well as what you are allowed to post.

Regarding the lack of an episode on 8/1/1969 and the skipping of episode 69, it could possibly be an error.   But I wonder if it's possible that this list only pertained to a specific station or group of stations that pre-empted the show on 8/1/69.   In that case, I'd guess that the stations that didn't have the pre-emption aired episode 65 on August 1, then episodes 66-69 on August 4-7.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on July 15, 2013, 10:28:46 PM
I found a Chicago area paper microfilm that did some episode decriptions in 1970 and it seems that after 1130 aired the first time in 1970 they aired 16-20 then 21-25 and then 26-30 but didn't find anything for the fourth week and not much else was listed for episode decriptions for weeks we don't know of. I don't see what would be controversial about episode 69 in its description for it to be skipped though.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on July 20, 2013, 09:12:44 PM
Thanks snowpeck for posting all this - really fascinating stuff.   This does seem to confirm that in between new seasons, they'd go back and rerun about three seasons' worth of shows.   I'd guess that from February 15, 1971 through at least February 20, 1976, the schedule posted at the beginning of this thread is accurate, since during those years there were just enough weeks between seasons to rerun exactly 195 episodes.  So in all likelihood, the B&W episodes probably saw their last airings in the summer of 1970.

But keep in mind that although the 1971 season started on Feb. 15, 1971, the 1972 season started a week later, Feb. 21, 1972.  In all likelyhood, the entire 1969, 1970, and 1971 seasons reran, but that still leaves one week unaccounted for.  It is possible that one week of the 1968 season aired.  But it is more likely that one week from either the 1969, 1970, or 1971 season had an extra airing.  Which week, I don't know.  Is there any way that anyone can find out?  What I wonder is, was there a week that they really wanted to air again for whatever reason, or was it so that the season could start on Presidents Day?  I assume the later, since all 1971-76 seasons began on Presidents Day (which, in 1971, was moved to the 3rd Monday of February).

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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that episodes 1-5 were never rerun.  We now know that it was the only B&W week that didn't air in the May-October 1969 rerun cycle, and we also know that one week was skipped over during the August 1968-February 1969 cycle.   So it stands to reason that 1-5 was also skipped in August 1968, and I highly doubt it was one of the four weeks that aired in May 1970.


That makes sense, since 1-5 was intended to prepare kids for the transition from EEN MRN to national MRN, so it wouldn't make sense to air it again.  Plus, it seems unusually heavy for MRN.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on July 20, 2013, 09:14:17 PM
As I've said, I've managed to get access to some of the documents digitized in the Fred Rogers Center at St. Vincent College, but please don't ask me to post the actual scanned documents.  Also, only a small portion of the archive has been digitized so far, so just because a document is in the archive doesn't necessarily mean I have access to it.

How did you gain access to dhat info?  Is there any way that you can gain access to more schedule info?  Thank you so much for posting what you've posted so far.

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I'm not sure if there really was a preemption on 8/1/1969.  Various TV listings sources still list an episode on that date. That may have just been a mistake on the schedule.

What episodes do you see listed for that date?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on July 20, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
I found a Chicago area paper microfilm that did some episode decriptions in 1970 and it seems that after 1130 aired the first time in 1970 they aired 16-20 then 21-25 and then 26-30 but didn't find anything for the fourth week and not much else was listed for episode decriptions for weeks we don't know of. I don't see what would be controversial about episode 69 in its description for it to be skipped though.

Since June 1-5, 1970 was 46-50, that means that May 25-29, 1970  had to be either 31-35, 36-40, or 41-45.  A case can be made for any of those weeks.  31-35 and 36-40 have an important plot point, since they introduce Sara Saturday.  But can one week air without the other?  41-45 is the opera week.  Since they liked airing operas on or near holidays, and at the time, Memorial Day was May 30 (it was moved to the last Monday of May in 1971), maybe they wanted to air the opera on Friday, May 29?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: snowpeck on July 21, 2013, 02:26:49 PM
How did you gain access to dhat info?  Is there any way that you can gain access to more schedule info?  Thank you so much for posting what you've posted so far.

Can't really reveal that, but that's the only schedule document I've been able to find. If anyone else has found one in the Fred Rogers Archive, please let me know and I'll try to access it.

What episodes do you see listed for that date?
Haven't seen any listings source that lists a specific episode, just various newspapers that indicate that it wasn't preempted in that city.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: earnhardtfan4life on July 21, 2013, 06:02:49 PM
I will say this much -- information regarding schedules and historical context to the program should be made available since the series is no more. 
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on July 21, 2013, 06:05:33 PM
I will say this much -- information regarding schedules and historical context to the program should be made available since the series is no more. 

Thank you.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on November 30, 2013, 01:56:05 AM
By the way, I found the Saturday schedules for the 2009-10 and 2010-11 seasons that another member sent me (I don't have the 2011-12 schedule), so I will post them here:

2009-10 Season
9/5/09: 1465
9/12/09: 1517
9/19/09: 1653
9/29/09: 1756
10/3/09: 1721
10/10/09: 1481
10/17/09: 1476
10/24/09: 1478
10/31/09: 1499
11/7/09: 1500
11/14/09: 1508
11/21/09: 1509
11/28/09: 1475
12/5/09: 1530
12/12/09: 1547
12/19/09: 1548
12/26/09: 1505
1/2/10: 1563
1/9/10: 1574
1/16/10: 1578
1/23/10: 1586
1/30/10: 1716
2/6/10: 1695
2/13/10: 1642
2/20/10: 1709
2/27/10: 1617
3/6/10: 1476
3/13/10: 1478
3/20/10: Voters' choice for Fred's birthday (1500 won)
3/27/10: 1481
4/3/10: 1508
4/10/10: 1509
4/17/10: 1617
4/24/10: 1505
5/1/10: 1499
5/8/10: 1500
5/15/10: 1530
5/22/10: 1547
5/29/10: 1548
6/5/10: 1563
6/12/10: 1574
6/19/10: 1578
6/26/10: 1586
7/3/10: 1642
7/10/10: 1695
7/17/10: 1709
7/24/10: 1716
7/31/10: 1721
8/7/10: 1517
8/14/10: 1756
8/21/10: 1465
8/28/10: 1653

It seems the Satruday episodes didn't follow the annual occasion times much at all, and this season aired only 26 episodes.  Also, because 1500 was the winner of the contest, it aired 3 times (on 11/7/09, 3/20/10, and 5/8/10).  The only episode this season to air exactly once was 1475, which was one of the choices that lost the voters' choice poll (they should have aired it on 5/8/10).
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on November 30, 2013, 02:05:34 AM
2010-11 Season
9/4/10: 1465
9/11/10: 1517
9/18/10: 1653
9/25/10: 1756
10/2/10: 1721
10/9/10: 1481
10/16/10: 1476
10/23/10: 1478
10/30/10: 1586
11/6/10: 1482
11/13/10: 1483
11/20/10: 1574
11/27/10: 1475
12/4/10: 1561
12/11/10: 1562
12/18/10: 1563
12/25/10: 1564
1/1/11: 1565
1/8/11: 1520
1/15/11: 1506
1/22/11: 1507
1/29/11: 1508
2/5/11: 1509
2/12/11: 1510
2/19/11: 1546
2/26/11: 1547
3/5/11: 1548
3/12/11: 1549
3/19/11: 1550
3/26/11: 1505
4/2/11: 1716
4/9/11: 1617
4/16/11: 1618
4/23/11: 1619
4/30/11: 1620
5/7/11: 1644
5/14/11: 1497
5/21/11: 1498
5/28/11: 1499
6/4/11: 1500
6/11/11: 1642
6/18/11: 1644
6/25/11: 1576
7/2/11: 1577
7/9/11: 1578
7/16/11: 1579
7/23/11: 1580
7/30/11: 1530
8/6/11: 1695
8/13/11: 1709
8/20/11: 1652
8/27/11: 1655

If anyone has the 2011-12 schedule, hopefully you can post it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on December 01, 2013, 09:53:45 PM
Thanks for compiling the Saturday sceduele, mitsguy. BTW, if it helps any, i remember at least a few episodes that aired during the 2011-2012 season. I didn't watch MRN regularly at the time, so i only watched a few: 1499, 1564, 1576 and 1580. I don't remember exactly when i saw the first 3 (though it was sometime in October and December), but i do think i remember exactly when 1580 aired.

I remember January 13, 2012 because that was Friday, and of course, you know what that means. And the next day, i was working on my MH fan art one early morning with the TV on (i sometimes have the TV on when i'm working and MRN is occasionally one of the shows i have on; not the best idea, but still...). At one point, i had it on Boomerang to watch some cartoons (being an amature cartoonist, i love to watch cartoons at times), then i switched to PBS since Mr. Rogers was gonna be on and it was the episode with Audrey Duck and the poetry-reading gaela, which was obviously 1580. So that implies that 1580 is what aired on Saturday, January 14, 2012.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on December 01, 2013, 10:03:12 PM
BTW, something wierd and somewhat cruel i noticed about the Saturday sceduele. All of these episodes are the same ones that are available to watch for free on PBS Kids' website. I notice among the recurrers are Pets (sans 1496), Music, Celebrations, Making Mistakes and The Environment (sans 1616). What a dirty trick, that must explain why PBS Kids (or maybe moreso FRC) refuses to release more post-75 episodes to watch for free.

The other thing that's wrong with this pic is Pets and The Environment airing without 1496 and 1616. Skipping 1616 definately doesn't make any sense whatsoever because, besides being the episode that introduces the "garbage crisis" story arc, 1616 has probbly the catchiest outro music John Costa played in that whole week. And interestingly, it was also (until 1994) the only 90's appearance of Bob Dog and the first time since Feburary 1989 that Rogers wears the blue sweater.

Honestly, i can understand FRC needing the money, but why must the episodes they make free be ones that people have seen over and over again? Adding more post-75s to watch for free is the least they could do for not letting Amazon release more pre-79s for a while. MRN sure isn't as enjoyable these days as it was when it still aired on weekdays (or better yet, when Rogers was still alive), that's for sure. Not even for the little kids.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on December 02, 2013, 12:18:54 AM
JCostaThePro: As I have said many times, FCI (I refuse to call it the Fred Rogers Company) is not being run the way Fred would have run it.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: JCostaThePro on December 02, 2013, 02:11:09 AM
JCostaThePro: As I have said many times, FCI (I refuse to call it the Fred Rogers Company) is not being run the way Fred would have run it.

I know that, and you're quite right about it.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: bjdwsm on December 02, 2013, 05:29:49 PM
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on January 05, 2019, 12:01:40 PM
I just discovered a newspaper listing that apparently has the four skipped 1969-70 weeks actually airing in 1979 via the Baltimore Sun on newspapers.com, a listing for them airing 1036-1040 the week of October 29-November 2
https://www.newspapers.com/image/377735444/

1051-1055 the week of November 19-23
https://www.newspapers.com/image/377529169

Although what gets interesting is that from there it has 1056-1060 being skipped and goes to 1061-1065 the week of November 26-30
https://www.newspapers.com/image/377542208

Yet it has 1071-1075 airing the week of December 10-14
https://www.newspapers.com/image/377542208

So it appears I have found a break through with only 1056-1060 being skipped in 1979, I will see later when I have more time if it goes into 1981. While the site requires paid membership one can get a free one week trial membership.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on January 05, 2019, 12:34:43 PM
Also, what gets interesting is that after airing 1081-1085 the week of December 24-28 it has it jumping to 1101 on December 31 which is as described in the schedule at the start of the post and continuing through to 1125 right before Superheroes debut
https://www.newspapers.com/image/377483663
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mjb1124 on January 05, 2019, 01:58:03 PM
So wait... if 1036-1040 aired from October 8-12, and 1051-1055 from November 19-23, then how did the weeks in between work out?   Presumably 1041-1050 would have aired somewhere during that timeframe, but that leaves three weeks unaccounted for.   So perhaps three of the four "skipped" weeks actually aired in that timeframe?  They could have intentionally re-arranged things in order to have the teddy bear opera air on the day after Thanksgiving, and the goldfish episode on New Year's Eve.

EDIT: Wait, nevermind, realized you made a typo and that 1036-1040 actually aired from October 29-November 2.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on January 05, 2019, 02:24:45 PM
So here is the schedule
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on January 05, 2019, 04:13:21 PM
While looking for other articles in that newspaper I unintentionally found details that may shed some light on the 1979-80 airings assuming it was accurate and ended up airing as listed, here is what I have where the differences begin
10/29 - 11/2/79: 1036 - 1040
11/5 - 11/9/79: 1041 - 1045
11/12 - 11/16/79: 1046 - 1050
11/19 - 11/23/79: 1051 - 1055
11/26 - 11/30/79: 1061 - 1065
12/3 - 12/7/79: 1066 - 1070
12/10 - 12/14/79: 1071 - 1075
12/17 - 12/21/79: 1076 - 1080
12/24 - 12/28/79: 1081 - 1085
12/31/79 - 1/4/80: 1101 - 1105 From here things line up again as they strangely skip three weeks that have the pregnancies announced
1/14 - 1/18/80: 1111 - 1115
1/21 - 1/25/80: 1116 - 1120
1/28 - 2/1/80: 1121 - 1125
2/4 - 2/8/80: 1466 - 1470 (Superheroes) And this date makes sense because 1076 - 1125 is one long story arc (Queen Sara's pregnancy and the births of Prince Tuesday and Ana Platypus, and so it makes sense to have the debut after the long story arc. And for this reason, the four banned weeks not airing in 1979 makes sense.
2/11 - 2/15/80: 1126 - 1130
Now here is where things get strange as suddenly they randomly re air two 1969 weeks
2/18 - 2/22/80: 1061 - 1065
2/25 - 2/29/80: 1051 - 1055
From here they go to the 1971 season
3/3 - 3/7/80: 1131 - 1135
3/10 - 3/14/80: 1136 - 1140
3/17 - 3/21/80: 1141 - 1145
3/24 - 3/28/80: 1146 - 1150
3/31 - 4/4/80: 1151 - 1155
4/7 - 4/11/80: 1156 - 1160
4/14 - 4/18/80: 1161 - 1165
4/21 - 4/25/80: 1166 - 1170
4/28 - 5/2/80: 1171 - 1175
5/5 - 5/9/80: 1176 - 1180
5/12 - 5/16/80: 1181 - 1185
5/19 - 5/23/80: 1471 - 1475 (Windstorm in Bubbleland) (Friday before a holiday, Memorial Day, so therefore probably intentional
Now here is another discrepancy as after Bubbleland debut it doesn't have Superheroes airing again but rather resumes where the pre 79s left off the week before

5/26 - 5/30/80: 1186 - 1190
6/2 - 6/6/80: 1191 - 1195
6/9 - 6/13/80: 1196 - 1200
6/16 - 6/20/80: 1201 - 1205
6/23 - 6/27/80: 1206 - 1210
6/30 - 7/4/80: 1211 - 1215
7/7 - 7/11/80: 1216 - 1220
7/14 - 7/18/80: 1221 - 1225
7/21 - 7/25/80: 1226 - 1230
7/28 - 8/1/80: 1231 - 1235
Then an unconfirmed backwards MRN Summer, since Starting School is confirmed.
Also these listings have it continuing without any MRN Summer
8/4 - 8/8/80: 1236-1240
8/11 - 8/15/80: 1241 - 1245
8/18 - 8/22/80: 1461 - 1465 (Starting School)
8/25 - 8/29/80: 1246 - 1250
9/1 - 9/5/80: 1251 - 1255
9/8 - 9/12/80: 1256 - 1260
9/15 - 9/19/80: 1261 - 1265
9/22 - 9/26/80: 1266 - 1270
9/29 - 10/3/80: 1271 - 1275
10/6 - 10/10/80: 1276 - 1280
10/13 - 10/17/80: 1281 - 1285
10/20 - 10/24/80: 1286 - 1290
10/27 - 10/31/80: They have Superheroes with a reairing that week which makes sense being Halloween week and from the following week the schedule lines up again.
By the end of 1980 going forward the episode descriptions seem to stop so while 1981 remains unfigured out this at least gives some documented insight to a possible schedule another interesting thing it seems at some point the station there went to airing its weeks Tuesday to Friday and then the following Monday.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on January 05, 2019, 08:55:03 PM
Thank you so much for posting that info!  I wonder what other info you can find.

A few questions: how far back does it go?  Does the debut of Starting School interrupt between 1455 and 1456, even though I'm fairly sure 1456 mentions "last week".

It's interesting that in 1979, they aired 1036-1040, 1051-1055, and 1071-1075, but not 1056-1060, given that Tim found absolutely nothing in 1056-1060 that would preclude it from airing.

I'm also very surprised that they skipped all of 1086-1100.  I do realize why they had to air the debut of Superheroes after 1125, but I don't see why Superheroes couldn't have aired later.  It's also interesting that 1091-1095 did not air in 1979 or 1984, although it definitely aired in 1986 and 1989.  I wonder if it aired in 1981.


I noticed that you listed nothing for Jan. 7-11, 1980.  Did 1106-1110 air then?  The only reason I ask is because the other weeks in which Carole Clemmons appeared (1056-1060 and 1086-1090) were both skipped.

Keep in mind that this thread that you replied to was one person's guess as to the schedule.  Much of what he has during the early 80s has been proven incorrect in later threads.

I'm very surprised that 1101 aired on New Years Eve, since that is a happy holiday, and 1101 is a sad episode.  Strangely, it seems almost as if it was intentional.

1061-1065 and 1051-1055 airing after 1130 is not too surprising, since there were other times in which they aired a few random episodes from an earlier season for seemingly no reason.  It's interesting that it was one of the banned weeks that aired.  I'm guessing that none of the banned weeks aired in 1981.

Since Superheroes aired Oct. 27-31, 1980, that means it also very likely aired Oct. 26-30, 1981 and Oct. 25-29, 1982.

Also, keep in mind that we know what aired in much of 1981.  The latest confirmed week in 1981 is April 20-24, 1981, Episodes 1406-1410.  This fits perfectly with what you have below.  So we know:

Nov. 3, 1980 - Feb. 13, 1981: 1291-1365
Feb. 16-20, 1981: Divorce
Feb. 23 - April 24, 1981: 1366-1410

So, the only remaining unconfirmed period is April 27, 1981 - Sept. 30, 1983.  The next known week is May 24-28, 1982: 1191-1195

I'm guessing that April 27 - May 29, 1981 was 1411-1435.  June 1-5, 1981 was the debut of Competition.  I read an article many years ago (can't find it again) saying that after the debut of Play (July 20-24, 1981) there was a backwards post-75 run (except Bubbleland), ending with Starting School Aug. 17-21, 1981 (and I'm guessing Bubbleland aired Aug. 24-28, 1981).  But there is a problem with that, since if 1436 aired June 8, as logical, 1460 would air July 10.  That leaves just one lone week, July 13-17, 1981, but I don't think that 1001-1005 could air that week, since I'm fairly sure that in 1005, they say that "next week" Sara Saturday will arrive.  So there had to be at least 1 mystery week.  Or, more likely, 4 mystery weeks, since long breaks tended to be between 1445 and 1446.  If 1446 aired Aug. 31, 1981, and if Superheroes did not air (it would have interrupted Friday and Sarah's honeymoon), and if none of the 4 banned weeks aired (but all of 1086-1100 aired), then 1191-1195 would air May 24-28, 1982, and we can easily figure out the rest of the schedule from there.  If Superheroes did air Oct. 26-30, 1981, then maybe 1091-1095 was skipped.  But, either way, there are still 4 weeks unaccounted for in the summer or fall of 1981.  I don't think we'll be able to figure this out on our own.

Thank you again for all that info.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on January 06, 2019, 03:48:36 PM
From what I saw the break for the debut of Starting School 1461 did indeed come after 1455 I was just starting with where the differences began, and I must have missed the first week of 1980 and yes that was 1106-1110.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on January 07, 2019, 12:08:43 PM
Thank you again.  Any chance that you can find more info for 1981 - 1983?  I think the only remaining unconfirmed period is April 27, 1981 - Sept. 30, 1983.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: rogersfan1 on January 07, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
Upon further review I was able to find a listing through the end of June 1981 but unfortunately the episode descriptions in that paper's tv weekly stop after that. From after the debut of Divorce
2-23 to 2-27 is 1366-1370 and goes continuously to the debut of Competition the week of June 1-5 and from there it has 1436-1440 airing June 8-12 and 1441-1445 June 15-19. What is interesting is the week of June 22-26 which is the last week I could find descriptions for it has them going back to 1176-1180 so they probably figured that was a good point for a break and wanted to fill time before starting their summer post 75 run assuming they had one as extensive as believed. Perhaps I will stumble onto some more in another newspaper tv weekly listing on newspapers.com for more listings.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on January 07, 2019, 02:49:27 PM
Thank you.  That makes perfect sense, since otherwise the debut of Play would have interrupted between 1005 and 1006.  I'm guessing that June 29 - July 17 probably continued with 1181-1195, then the post-75s as we described, including Bubbleland Aug. 24-28, and then 1446 aired Aug. 31, and the 4 banned weeks were all skipped, but the pregnancy episodes aired, including 1091-1095.  Or maybe 1091-1095 was skipped and Superheroes aired in October.  But that seems less likely.  See what else you can find.  Thanks.  But I think we've figured out almost the entire schedule.  The only other mystery is which week had an extra airing in between the 1971 and 1972 seasons.
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: Chad123 on April 18, 2019, 03:13:18 AM
What happened to the rest of the daily airings schedules after 2001?
Title: Re: MRN Schedule 2/19/68 - 9/4/09
Post by: mitsguy2001 on April 18, 2019, 11:19:16 AM
What happened to the rest of the daily airings schedules after 2001?

It seems to have disappeared.  Not sure if the original poster deleted it or if the moderator deleted it for whatever reason.  Unfortunately, the person who posted it no longer seems to post here.  I should also mention that the info from 1968-1984 is not correct, since we now know more accurate info.